Time for another tea party?

[moonlessnight]

I'm not sure if this is the best place to post this but here goes. The fact that almost all of us would agree that switching to pv's over analogs is cutting into big pharma and goverment's pockets ie taxes maybe it's time for a modern day tea I mean tobacco party. Yes moving from analogs to pv's to an extent is cutting off that source of income to the gov but any ideas on something to be done on a larger scale such as oh I don't know... highjacking an 18 wheeler loaded with analogs and driving it into Boston harbor.

 

[sqirl1]

You got the right idea! we have CASAA but that's not enough. We need to collaborate with others that the FDA and the drug companies have hurt to form one large conglomerate to stop the massive flow of blood money. And hijacking trucks isn't going to do much for us.... however having tens of thousands of people rallying at the front of the FDA's main HQ might do the trick.

 

[moonlessnight]

Have a million vapor march

 

[Thulium]

There's also no reason to try to punish the tobacco companies any further. They are already paying $Billions to the Master Settlement Agreement...much of which is spent on pharmaceutical products and funding for "non-profit" anti-tobacco lobbying.

 

[moonlessnight]

Its a catch 22 someones always gonna get hurt the question is who do we side with

 

[Thulium]

Its a catch 22 someones always gonna get hurt the question is who do we side with

Smokers, and the people who care more about smokers' health than their money. (Which includes a lot more people from tobacco companies than pharmaceutical companies, trust me.)

 

[moonlessnight]

I don't disagree with you...the point that I was originaly trying to make was more the man sticks it to us its time we stick it to the man. There will always be collateral damage which is unfortunate but if we don't do anything more then lie down and be trampled over that's all we will ever be...a doormat. So do we do something to tell uncle sam and or big business to leave us alone or do we keep paying out the wazoo?

 

[Vap0rJay]

I'm not sure if this is the best place to post this but here goes. The fact that almost all of us would agree that switching to pv's over analogs is cutting into big pharma and goverment's pockets ie taxes maybe it's time for a modern day tea I mean tobacco party. Yes moving from analogs to pv's to an extent is cutting off that source of income to the gov but any ideas on something to be done on a larger scale such as oh I don't know... highjacking an 18 wheeler loaded with analogs and driving it into Boston harbor.

This day and age you try that you'd be labeled a terrorist and killed for treason.

"It is sobering to reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence." ~Charles A Beard

 

[moonlessnight]

This day and age you try that you'd be labeled a terrorist and killed for treason.

"It is sobering to reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence." ~Charles A Beard

Ironic isn't it??!!

 

[Thulium]

I don't disagree with you...the point that I was originaly trying to make was more the man sticks it to us its time we stick it to the man. There will always be collateral damage which is unfortunate but if we don't do anything more then lie down and be trampled over that's all we will ever be...a doormat. So do we do something to tell uncle sam and or big business to leave us alone or do we keep paying out the wazoo?

Sam Adams argued that the Boston Tea Party was not the act of a lawless mob, but a necessary protest of the infringement of their constitutional rights. In that case, the issue was taxation without representation; but in this case the issue is the financial conflicts of interest between industries and the agencies that regulate them. The Sons of Liberty were fighting the tyranny of a monarchy, we are fighting the tyranny of corporate fascism...and quite honestly, I'm not sure what the necessary protest is... Illegally seizing and destroying property is the tactic used by the prohibitionists, so in protest perhaps our best move is to use LEGAL means to truthfully inform the public about tobacco harm reduction. Big Pharma and their "friends" at the FDA are best punished by destroying the sales of drugs to treat smoking related diseases when smokers switch to "unregulated" smokeless alternatives.

IMO the best political demonstration against the tyranny of tobacco control is to demonstrate the electronic cigarette. The proposed regulations in Pierce County Washington made for a great excuse to gather a group of concerned vapers at the bar near the hearing and have a "Vape Party". The non-smokers "brave" enough to join us like BOH Chairman Muri and Lakewood CoC boardmember MaryAnn Miller thus became some of our strongest allies. If we had been able to convince more BOH members to join us, we might have convinced them to remove ALL usage restrictions instead of making exemptions to the unjustified and unenforceable regulation.

 

[moonlessnight]

Sam Adams argued that the Boston Tea Party was not the act of a lawless mob, but a necessary protest of the infringement of their constitutional rights. In that case, the issue was taxation without representation; but in this case the issue is the financial conflicts of interest between industries and the agencies that regulate them. The Sons of Liberty were fighting the tyranny of a monarchy, we are fighting the tyranny of corporate fascism...and quite honestly, I'm not sure what the necessary protest is... Illegally seizing and destroying property is the tactic used by the prohibitionists, so in protest perhaps our best move is to use LEGAL means to truthfully inform the public about tobacco harm reduction. Big Pharma and their "friends" at the FDA are best punished by destroying the sales of drugs to treat smoking related diseases when smokers switch to "unregulated" smokeless alternatives.

IMO the best political demonstration against the tyranny of tobacco control is to demonstrate the electronic cigarette. The proposed regulations in Pierce County Washington made for a great excuse to gather a group of concerned vapers at the bar near the hearing and have a "Vape Party". The non-smokers "brave" enough to join us like BOH Chairman Muri and Lakewood CoC boardmember MaryAnn Miller thus became some of our strongest allies. If we had been able to convince more BOH members to join us, we might have convinced them to remove ALL usage restrictions instead of making exemptions to the unjustified and unenforceable regulation.

Again I don't disagree and I would never suggest anyone doing anything ilegal my original sugestion with the truck full of smokes was tounge in cheek. I do feel that we as a people/we as pv users need to let the goverment know that we have a voice and want it heard. Your example of Pierce County is exactly what I would like to see happen. Some type of forum where we can be heard as a whole not just in small pockets but yes we need to start somewhere.

 

[Thulium]

Along with smokers and non-smoking adults who care about those who are unable or unwilling to stop using recreational nicotine or tobacco, our other allies can include:

• Cancer patients who have been denied truthful information about treatments that do not include the use of FDA approved drugs and devices.
• Organic farmers who are subject to stricter regulations than their corporate-controlled and genetically modified competition.
• Parents of children diagnosed with disabilities treated by psychoactive drugs without due consideration for non-pharmaceutical treatments.
• Any group or party opposed to prohibition of any kind. Many Republicans, some Democrats, and nearly all third parties and libertarians are opposed to prohibition--even if they personally disapprove of its use.

 

[sqirl1]

Along with smokers and non-smoking adults who care about those who are unable or unwilling to stop using recreational nicotine or tobacco, our other allies can include:

• Cancer patients who have been denied truthful information about treatments that do not include the use of FDA approved drugs and devices.
• Organic farmers who are subject to stricter regulations than their corporate-controlled and genetically modified competition.
• Parents of children diagnosed with disabilities treated by psychoactive drugs without due consideration for non-pharmaceutical treatments.
• Any group or party opposed to prohibition of any kind. Many Republicans, some Democrats, and nearly all third parties and libertarians are opposed to prohibition--even if they personally disapprove of its use.

NOW we're talking! these are the people who will be invaluable to us as allies. and there's a much longer list to that! just take any group of people the FDA has screwed over... we must all unite! divided we stand no chance against the FDA, but united as one giant force, we just might win this thing and bring true reform to the table. let's get these pigs in the pen where they belong!

 

[Thulium]

Again I don't disagree and I would never suggest anyone doing anything ilegal my original sugestion with the truck full of smokes was tounge in cheek. I do feel that we as a people/we as pv users need to let the goverment know that we have a voice and want it heard. Your example of Pierce County is exactly what I would like to see happen. Some type of forum where we can be heard as a whole not just in small pockets but yes we need to start somewhere.

I didn't think you were suggesting actually doing anything illegal or I would have just suggested that you drown some Chantix instead, but I doubt it would have any of the desired effects and I have serious concerns about the possible side effects....so to speak.

 

[Ande]

This is a good idea. (Not the truckjacking- just the idea of organised protest.)

Another logical ally against Pharma and their lackeys are, of course, pregnant woment. And women who have been pregnant. Or might like to be. Or are capable of it. Women in general, really. Have you seen what goes on in the name of BIRTH in most countries- the pharma and medical industries make a mint, but the women suffer for it...not the place to go into that. But if people were aware, they'd see that all of this is everybody's fight.

Some protest ideas:

I liked the million vaper march.

Let's have a vape-in or two. Go into local offices of those who seek to ban vaping, en masse, sit down, and vape..

How about an international vape day- at a given hour on a given day, all around the world, wherever they are, we ALL pull out our PVs and vape.



I also want to add- we do not do ourselves any favors by turning our backs on smokers. I stopped smoking for health and family reasons, but the new (especially outdoor, but also in cars, in some cases at home...) restrictions on smokers are mental. Based on junk science, mean-spiritedness, and just plain hatred. Time for some civil disobedience on that front as well.

Close to a quarter of the population in the US pay dramatically more than their share of taxes, funding everything from government subsidised health care to the very "concerned organisations" who tell others not to hire them. And then they are banned from being in the public view. And their tax dollars are spent on programs to further marginalize them. And politicians are openly considering cutting off their medicare benfits. Many places will not allow them to foster or adopt. Their parenting of their own children is constantly questioned. Strangers on the street can insult them, and do, without attracting disapproval from others.

And they (we) take it.

I haven't smoked anything for a number of months. But if anybody is up for a "smoke-in" next time I'm in New York, I could sure be convinced to spring for a Havana cigar...



Ande

 

[DC2]

What we need is someone who can get access to large numbers of various concerned parties.
And someone with the means to communicate and motivate a coordinated action.

I know someone who uses an electronic cigarette who can do those things.
His name is Rush Limbaugh.

If only there were someone less controversial who was in such a position.

 

[rothenbj]

There was talk about a smoke-in in Central Park after the ban was approved however I haven't heard anything more on that for months. If other countries can overthrow governments with uprisings, we should at least be able to assemble enough people to make a major story, at least.

I think the problem is that we as a nation have just gotten too complacent. Smokers have been taking it on the chin for so long that they're just use to the abuse or they find alternatives life we have. I'd show up in their support if something got organized on a large scale. It won't stop with the smokers because if and when the money dries up, there will be a lot of people looking for another gravy train.

 

[Lezil]

im always down for a tea party

 

[rbuck9]

with groups such as ash,and others misrepersenting studies pushing junk science and complete lies.
including showing employers how to skirt smokers rights so they can refuse employment to individuals
with nicotine in there system.i no longer smoke analogs but i ask this question if half of what these
groups say is true how is it possible anyone born from the 40s to 70s be alive ?
ok to the point of my rambling we as idividuals are in this mess,because of misinformation and a uninformed public
the biggest single threat to big pharma and these groups is the public knowing and understanding the truth
just one former smokers opinon