Time to start boycotting establishments?

[PlanetScribbles]

I would like to suggest a boycott on any establishment that includes e-cigarettes in with their smoking ban. I have no problem with banning cigarettes in any establishment that is shared with a percentage of non-smokers. In fact I would also gladly include all eat-in food outlets by default. But to include e-cigarettes in with blanket smoking bans at stadia and recreational facilities is akin to including the Burger King concession and tea/coffee outlet in with the ban. They also output vapour.
All I see is insanity coming from the antis, so now it is time to spend your money elsewhere. Vote with your feet, it is the only language they will understand. Watch the ball game on TV instead. Instead of going bowling, go to the local bar and have a bud. Just do something else, at an establishment that doesn't think they can force their own puritan morals on you.
Just a suggestion

 

[the86d]

This is why I do not purchase auto insurance from State Farm.

 

[Kate51]

No ban necessary, I just won't bother going in. It's a social thing. Makes me feel put out, unclean, and oppressed by the elite.

 

[Heartisan]

I would like to suggest a boycott on any establishment that includes e-cigarettes in with their smoking ban

I agree in theory. But how do you know which ones are banning it? Is there a list somewhere?

The only problem with boycotting is that the establishment doesn't know that they
are being boycotted. Unfortunely our numbers are still small enough that our absence
probably wouldn't be noticed.

I'm all for writing "polite" emails and letters to educate them about e-cigs and telling
why I won't frequent them though.

 

[PlanetScribbles]

I agree in theory. But how do you know which ones are banning it? Is there a list somewhere?

The only problem with boycotting is that the establishment doesn't know that they
are being boycotted. Unfortunely our numbers are still small enough that our absence
probably wouldn't be noticed.

I'm all for writing "polite" emails and letters to educate them about e-cigs and telling
why I won't frequent them though.

When you go into the premises you can ask if they will allow you to use your nicotine inhalator. Add to that by stating you are trying to quit cigarettes, with the wry smile of someone trying to quit a lifetime habit. Demonstrate it if necessary.
If they allow it, great. If not, tell them that you will go elsewhere then
Yeah, you are right that our numbers are small. But growing, on the back of all the press they seem to be getting now.
I guess it is just a token gesture, but no way would I give my money to a company dense enough to put smoke and water vapour in the same bracket, based on what bought and paid for pharma industry shills tell them to do.

 

[brandon555]

I agree in theory. But how do you know which ones are banning it? Is there a list somewhere?

The only problem with boycotting is that the establishment doesn't know that they
are being boycotted. Unfortunely our numbers are still small enough that our absence
probably wouldn't be noticed.

I'm all for writing "polite" emails and letters to educate them about e-cigs and telling
why I won't frequent them though.

This.

There aren't enough vapers to make enough of an impact.

 

[Ourei]

Personally I don't feel right vaping in public places, because the process of vaping an e-cig is identical to smoking a cigarette - putting it to your mouth, inhaling, and exhaling a cloud. It looks like smoking, and that's enough for me to wait until I'm in a private area. Even if I'm told 'hey if you wanna smoke your thing here, it's cool' I try not to. I also put away my PV when a minor walks into the room. I feel evil if I vape in front of them.

But everyone here has my support, go fight the good fight

 

[HeatherC]

not only that it's not only establishments that are doing this some states are amending their smoke-free laws to include ecigs

 

[Kate51]

We have friends that own a bar near us, in fact their son is married to our daughter.
So they know about my e-cig.
Wisconsin just went no-smoking in establishments, so I didn't vape the night my sisters and brother went out for supper, I didn't want to offend my one sister who still smokes (like a chimney!). We were at the bar for awhile, then went and ate. Not a problem.
But a couple days ago I was talking to them about it again, and they are now in the process of getting disposables for patrons. All I had to say was 'you can make some money with them' and so they're now all enthused. But I love my vape with a cold beer, or even a soda. They had a biker club banquet a couple weeks prior, and had two people using e-cigs, not a problem with that. So we're getting some success stories, which is great.
Other states though make it impossible to even allow sale of e-cigs, so we have much work to do.
But Ourei you have to know it's NOT the same as cigarettes. There's virtually no passive effects to anyone, and certainly no smoke because there's no combustion. It is atomized vapor. By the time the fog leaves your mouth there is minuscule amounts of nicotine if any. But nothing any more harmful than natural exhaling!
Yes, we need more exhalation testing, that's getting there but not common knowledge as yet, and the whole concept of the e-cig is largely unheard of.
But I think I'm going to arm myself with some disposables, for those occasions when someone would like to try. Gotta look into it more.

 

[PlanetScribbles]

Personally I don't feel right vaping in public places, because the process of vaping an e-cig is identical to smoking a cigarette - putting it to your mouth, inhaling, and exhaling a cloud. It looks like smoking, and that's enough for me to wait until I'm in a private area. Even if I'm told 'hey if you wanna smoke your thing here, it's cool' I try not to. I also put away my PV when a minor walks into the room. I feel evil if I vape in front of them.

But everyone here has my support, go fight the good fight

What Kate said for me too. I 'wear' my e-cig with pride when I leave the house. I make a point of letting as many people see it as possible
After all, i'm not breaking any law and i'm not harming anyone especially in the open air.

 

[ckreef]

Personally I don't feel right vaping in public places, because the process of vaping an e-cig is identical to smoking a cigarette - putting it to your mouth, inhaling, and exhaling a cloud. It looks like smoking, and that's enough for me to wait until I'm in a private area. Even if I'm told 'hey if you wanna smoke your thing here, it's cool' I try not to. I also put away my PV when a minor walks into the room. I feel evil if I vape in front of them.

But everyone here has my support, go fight the good fight

I guess I somewhat agree with Ourei.

Before I go into a public place I chain vape for a few mins. After that if I can't go for an hour or 2 without vaping then I have a much more serious problem and need to get some "outside" help.

Heck when I'm at home and doing something interesting I can go 3 or 4 hours without vaping. At work when I'm totally bored I chain vape.

 

[cruisedoc]

Quite frankly, I have yet to be asked not to vape ...anywhere. In today's economic environment I don't think many palces can afford to turn away any group of people (unless in their economic interest to do so). So, make your list & DO inform the owners (not just some kid manager) that they risk a boycott from a sizable & growing group. Stick up for yourselves. It may look like smoking, but it's non-harmful to others. Personally, I don't flaunt it, and nobody bothers me. Be cool & be stealthy.

 

[AJMoore]

Most restaurants around here are cool with it, I don't make a scene, very decreed, and most the wait staff and owners want information, turned many on to the e cig. I just gently get it in there, not threatening and as friendly as possible. I was in the county courthouse this week and wanted to show a fellow smoker outside the building because it does after all look somewhat like a pipe bomb. He insisted I bring it in and "show the gang", even demonstrating it. All were enthused and wanted more info for themselves, their families and friends. Good experience for me.

 

[firefox335]

I think there's quite a difference between vaping at "Chuck E Cheese" and vaping at "Al's Bar of Sin and Debauchery."

 

[Israfil]

I think there's quite a difference between vaping at "Chuck E Cheese" and vaping at "Al's Bar of Sin and Debauchery."

So true, chuck e cheese is a family establishment, which means they should accept our family too!

If we're boycotting establishments shall we establish some boycotts?

 

[HeatherC]

There are laws in many states NY is one of them that forbid smoking in public places. There are people who equate vaping with that. Some states have already amended their clean air laws to include vaping. In NY the fine for violating the law is 2500$ which would be a bit expensive for some establishments. Boycotting an establishment for NOT violating a law that is in place in your state will not work! We need to get the law changed.

 

[PlanetScribbles]

There are laws in many states NY is one of them that forbid smoking in public places. There are people who equate vaping with that. Some states have already amended their clean air laws to include vaping. In NY the fine for violating the law is 2500$ which would be a bit expensive for some establishments. Boycotting an establishment for NOT violating a law that is in place in your state will not work! We need to get the law changed.

That is right, and when businesses start going to the wall through lack of custom, mister billionaire 'I know what's best for you because I bought my way into city hall' Bloomberg may start to take notice of it.
Yeah, it isn't fair on those who have to obey the law. But they are casualties of a class war that is happening between smokers and non-smokers right now. Unfortunately, we have become embroiled in this war when it really has nothing to do with us. We already quit smoking, and are still being persecuted.
Bloomberg is a man who is happy to be Mayor for no salary, as he gets to push his own agenda on an entire city. I guess you can do stuff like that when you are the eighth richest man in America.

 

[yvilla]

There are laws in many states NY is one of them that forbid smoking in public places. There are people who equate vaping with that. Some states have already amended their clean air laws to include vaping.

Right now, New Jersey is the only state that has amended its laws to include ecigs within its smoking ban.

There are also a few localities that we know of that have also done that, including Suffolk County in NY and several small townships in Massachusetts.

There are several others proposing to do so, such as Lowell Indiana, Northampton MA, Albany County NY, Savannah GA, and possibly, Seattle/Kings County WA.

You might be aware that we are campaigning as best as we can to oppose those pending proposals. It is critical that we respond as strongly as possible in opposition to any and all such local and state ban proposals, that are the result of a model ordinance prepared and being vigorously pushed by the antis (ANR, CFTK, ALA, ACS, etc). We cannot allow the weight of success in one locale after another to turn into a landslide of quickly and easily enacted bans in successive new locales!

Edit: That's why we also all need to get behind the IVAQS study with our financial contributions. It may turn out to be our most powerful weapon in this battle against use bans, if we can only get it funded! http://ivaqs.com/

 

[HeatherC]

Also calling all government representatives...writing letters....etc.... you should contact state reps as well as federal reps That is really the way to combat this. I have a friend who is a bar owner here in genesee county NY and she is convinced that the smoking ban includes ecigs....regardless of what I've told her... And as the owner of that business she has every right to think that...and to protect herself from having to pay a hefty fine. unless we get the law changed to exclude ecigs. My worry really is if NJ did it there will be others to follow I'm sure.

 

[yvilla]

And as the owner of that business she has every right to think that...and to protect herself from having to pay a hefty fine. unless we get the law changed to exclude ecigs.

Heather, this part I just don't get. She does not have the "right" to misunderstand the law. Why would you think that? And she currently has nothing to protect herself from. The law does not need to be "changed" to exclude ecigs - they are simply not included, as is clear on the plain face and language of the law itself.

Have you considered printing out the actual law to show her? Here it is: State of New York - Regulation of Smoking in Public and Work Places

And how about the letter from the Virginia AG, who smacked down the VDH for misinforming people that Virginia's ban, that also requires a "lighted" tobacco product to be within the ban, included ecigs. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...2-virginia-attorney-general-rules-e-cigs.html

Indeed, the Virginia law is actually more open to misconstruing than New York's ban, that expressly requires "burning" within its definition of smoking. I would think that if your friend saw the crystal clear language of New York's smoking ban, she might see the light.

Afterthought: If your friend is just using the smoking ban as an excuse, that's a different matter. She does have the right to set rules for her own place, of course, but she doesn't have the "right" to say it's because of a non-existent prohibition in law.