time to upgrade...

[itsdan]

like everyone else, its been a hell of a time learning to understand all this. the different mods and features are just overwhelming. anyways I've finally come to the conclusion thats its time to upgrade from my smoov. I still get confused a little between the differences between atomizer, cartomizer (clearomizer) and tanks, brief and simple explanation on these would be great.

I think Im leaning towards the ego, possibly the twist. curious as to what the input is on variable voltage, how beneficial is it really?

Whats the difference b/w egoC and egoT?

I have been using a smoov for the past few months, time for something different. Any suggestions/reccomendations?

thanks

 

[aneff13lansing]

ego twist is a very nice device if you dont feel like dealing with the voltage till ur comfterble you can set it to a lower voltage and just leave it there.
an atomizer you drip a few drops in take a few drags till its dry and drip a few more drops.
a cartomizer you drop 20-40 drops (depeding on size) and take your drags till its close to gone flavor diminishes then add more juice.
a clearomizer is a little like a cartomizer but no filler and usually hold more juice a lot of times better flavor from these
a tank is a Cartomizer with a glass or strong plastic that will hold from 3-6ml of juice and keep your cart juiced till you need to refill the tank
they come in different ohms which is something you can also play around with and find what you like most very easily on the ego twist

 

[Motoman101]

Best thing to do is go to utube do a search under ecigs. Hundreds of great reviews on everything. Spend sometime there you can learn a lot.

 

[sailorman]

Atomizer: The heating unit only. Has no provision for supplying juice to the coil.
Cartomizer: An atomizer coil surrounded by a filler material to hold jice and deliver it to the coil.
Clearomizer: An atomizer coil isolated from the juice which is held loosely and wicked to the coil. Usuall in a clear housing.
Tank: A carto tank holds a cartomizer or clearomizer and feeds juice into the carto or clearo through a hole in the carto/clearo housing. An atomizer tank contains a heating coil as an integral part of the tank assembly. It does not use a separate carto or clearo like a carto tank does.

Variable voltage allows you to vary the heat produced by an atomizer coil. Some juices taste better when vaporized at different temperatures. With a fixed voltage device, the only way to change the heat is to change the resistance of the coil. With a VV, you can use one resistance of coil and change the voltage.

An eGo-T uses a one piece atomizer and cone assembly. An eGo-C uses an atomizer that screws into the bottom of the cone. In both of them, a cartridge is used to hold the juice and deliver it to the coil. The cartridge fits into the end of the cone. IMO, they are both a feeble attempt to revive the old, obsolete, atomizer/cartridge system of the old days. Delivering juice to an atomizer by means of a cartridge is always a substandard solution and fraught with problems like leaking, insufficient juice delivery and burning plastic tastes. The atomizer/cartridge paradigm became obsolete the day the cartomizers were invented.

If you want a change from a Smoov, you need to decide what form factor you prefer. If you must have something of a similar size, there is really no upgrade path. If you're o.k. with a larger unit, you need to decide how large and whether you want fixed or variable voltage. Then, you must decide whether you'd prefer a sealed proprietary battery where you throw away the whole ecig when the battery wears out, or generic batteries that you change like flashlight batteries.

If you want sealed batteries and can handle something a bit larger than a cigarette, a kGo is a good fixed voltage unit. Paired with a Vision Ego Cartomizer (Stardust), it performs far better than either an eGo-C or eGo-T. It's the logical next step up from a cigarette lookalike. If you want a disposable variable voltage, the Twist is available. But Twists are enormous for their capacity and you'll need 2 of them. A 650mah Twist is as large as an 1100mah kGo. A 1000mah Twist is as long as a 3000mah Lavatube. A pair of Twists also cost as much as a Lavatube.

If you want something with separate batteries, that is not disposable, there are a million "mods" to choose from, in both fixed and variable voltage. Your budget will probably be the deciding factor.

 

[Xaiver]

Quick correction:

An atomizer is a coil that's exposed, usually at the center of the device. The first atomizers had a cartridge that went ontop and the coil was fed by a foamy sort of filler. The eGo-T/C also use an atomizer/cartridge method, except their cartridge is fillerless, and uses suction to send the liquid to the atomizer.

That's how they were designed anyway. Quite a few people didn't like the cartridge and just take it off and then drip from their little bottle onto the coil. Usually with a drip tip attached to the top. Note: Dripping isn't very efficient with an eGo-T/C atty, it's very difficult to hit the tiny little spike hole.

The eGo-T is an atomizer with a fillerless cartridge on it that you fill with your liquid. The atomizer has a small spike that goes up into the cartridge and doubles as a sort of wick to get the liquid to the coil. The eGo-C is just an upgraded model, where the atomizer head is replacable. Once your atomizer is fouled out on the C, you can just replace it with a new atomizer head, they're not cheap, but I believe that they're cheaper than buying a new eGo-T atomizer.

My first non-gas station PV was an eGo-T kit, I got tons of use out of it. In fact, I still use the batteries occasionally, they're a good backup.

Something else to keep in mind. A good majority of the things that you're reading about here are based on a 510 connection. That's the name for the threading from the battery and to the atomizer/cart/carto/etc. I'd recommend making sure that whatever you get is a 510. (eGo's are 510 btw) There are adapters available, but they can sometimes cause issues with things. I feel that it's best not to need to add length or mess around with adapters, myself.

-X

 

[sailorman]

ego twist is a very nice device if you dont feel like dealing with the voltage till ur comfterble you can set it to a lower voltage and just leave it there.
an atomizer you drip a few drops in take a few drags till its dry and drip a few more drops.
a cartomizer you drop 20-40 drops (depeding on size) and take your drags till its close to gone flavor diminishes then add more juice.
a clearomizer is a little like a cartomizer but no filler and usually hold more juice a lot of times better flavor from these
a tank is a Cartomizer with a glass or strong plastic that will hold from 3-6ml of juice and keep your cart juiced till you need to refill the tank
they come in different ohms which is something you can also play around with and find what you like most very easily on the ego twist

This is exactly the wrong approach for a newbie to variable voltage vaping. The power (wattage) is a function of both the resistance and the voltage. You can't find out anything if you're changing both factors. If you get a variable voltage, stick with 2.5 or 3 ohms and change the voltage to find out what you like. Also, the Twist is not the best machine to do this with because of the way the voltage is displayed. With a Twist, you adjust it by taste. The voltage dial has little tiny numbers with 0.2V increments which makes it difficult to pin down the exact voltage you're using at any given moment. It's not impossible, but the Twist is not easiest VV PV to do it on. A VV with a digital voltage display, paired with a consistent atomizer/cartomizer resistance, is a much better way to approach things if you're trying to find out what like in terms of wattage.

 

[sailorman]

Best thing to do is go to utube do a search under ecigs. Hundreds of great reviews on everything. Spend sometime there you can learn a lot.

Before you do this, make a list of trusted reviewers. Youtube is a snakepit of disguised advertisers, affiliate marketers, scamsters, snake-oil salesmen and garden variety idiots who post e-cig reviews. There are some great reviewers on YT, but for every good reviewer, there are a half-dozen burnouts, wannabe affiliate millionaires and rip-off artists.

Find out who is who before you give an ounce of credence to any Youtube review.

 

[Bullette the Cowdog]

We <heart> Sailorman

 

[r77r7r]

"they come in different ohms which is something you can also play around with and find what you like most very easily on the ego twist "

+100!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[aneff13lansing]

Sorry if i didnt give out the Most accurate information, just tryin to help.

 

[r77r7r]

Sorry if i didnt give out the Most accurate information, just tryin to help.

You did great!! Often it's the newcomers that help the other newcomers best!

 

[Fiamma]

You might want to visit the new brick and mortar store in Rochester to be able to put your hands on the equipment.

 

[SissySpike]

Go with a Lava tube its a great place to start with VV If you use dual coils get a Veriable tube Ivape .net or stardust VV ecig Charleston, Or if your using standard resistance single coil 3oHms go for a Lave tube check out some Utube videos on them look around you can find a complete kit 2 batteries charger and 2 attys for 50 or 60 $ Its cheep it works and it will always be near and dear to your heart cause it will be your first Mod

 

[sailorman]

Sorry if i didnt give out the Most accurate information, just tryin to help.

No apology necessary and I didn't mean to offend. I know you were trying to help. Enthusiasm, combined with little basis for comparison, is a recipe for lots of inaccurate noob-2-noob advice. You certainly aren't alone. It just so happens that the Twist is a PV that seems to bring out a disproportionate amount of enthusiasm among those with little or no basis of comparison.

 

[itsdan]

If you want a change from a Smoov, you need to decide what form factor you prefer. If you must have something of a similar size, there is really no upgrade path. If you're o.k. with a larger unit, you need to decide how large and whether you want fixed or variable voltage. Then, you must decide whether you'd prefer a sealed proprietary battery where you throw away the whole ecig when the battery wears out, or generic batteries that you change like flashlight batteries.

If you want sealed batteries and can handle something a bit larger than a cigarette, a kGo is a good fixed voltage unit. Paired with a Vision Ego Cartomizer (Stardust), it performs far better than either an eGo-C or eGo-T. It's the logical next step up from a cigarette lookalike. If you want a disposable variable voltage, the Twist is available. But Twists are enormous for their capacity and you'll need 2 of them. A 650mah Twist is as large as an 1100mah kGo. A 1000mah Twist is as long as a 3000mah Lavatube. A pair of Twists also cost as much as a Lavatube.

If you want something with separate batteries, that is not disposable, there are a million "mods" to choose from, in both fixed and variable voltage. Your budget will probably be the deciding factor.

I am over the "cigarette-look-alike" feature and size isnt much of an issue. I dont perfer to have a rediculously bulky battery. I'm still trying to decide variable or not and 650mah or 1000mah. Whats the difference really in battery life (650v1000) and any opions as far as how complicated or nesceary the vv is for a noob?

Budget isnt a major concern im willing to spend up to $100 to get a solid setup.

Say I got a twist and a kGo would those cartomizers/atomizers/tanks be interchangeable?

This thread has been so helpful, thank you all.

 

[Fiamma]

Anything threaded 510 will go on anything threaded 510, There are also 510 to ego thread adapters. Ego has threads both inside and outside the battery and stuff like Volcano has the same type battery but only threads on the inside. So if you wanted t use an ego cone on a volcano battery you would need a 510 to Ego adapter. If you want to use a tank like a DCT on a twist you would probably want to use a thread cover. Makes the unit look much more streamlined.

Just read the info on what you want and make sure it all goes together.

 

[Xaiver]

Up to 100 for the whole thing? That's a good get-you-started amount. I would look into some sort of starter kit, were I you. I started on an eGo-T kit, myself. It did the job, that's about all I can really say for it....and I still use the battery now and again.

I would definitely steer clear of the Mods/APVs if that's your limit though. For example, the thing that I carry around for my At home/In the car mod is a Silver Bullet with a kick and extension tube, which ran me around 160 + batteries, and I have a GG Penelope rebuildable tank atomizer ontop which is another 130ish.

It's true that you can get a decent mod with batteries for under 100, but it's often easier and less frustrating to look at the kits that come with everything you need to get going.

 

[Ralikar]

I spent a year doing 808ds must look like a cig. My advice is try an EGO the bats are dead cheap--like 12-14$ and very powerful and 510 threading gives you lots of options. I've got Twists otw but Sailorman seems right--varible voltage is not for new users. The EGOs are cheap, then you can try carto/clearos/tanks... then upgrade to a twist when you appreciate the VV features. A 1000mah (like 10 hrs of vaping depending) for $14 is pretty great.

 

[Bobby Martin]

Ego-c low ohm kit, type B. simple, convenient, satisfying. And no tinkering required!

 

[Darthvong]

I started with a 1100mah kgo set using cartos. However, had I waiting a month to quit analogs my first order would've been for a Ego twist set with CE3's. So that's what I suggest.