Tired of reading threads that bash gotvapes.
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Try being an extremely conservative atheist. Both parties make me puke most of the time.
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sense Field" data-source="post: 6669819" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch">sense Field said:
By that, do you mean that advertising influences minds by more than just withholding some facts while emphasizing others? I'm actually quite curious about this... How exactly do you define advertising?
Political propaganda all too frequently lies, both by omission and by comission. I learned this very early in life, having been born in the old USSR, where propaganda ate itself to the point where any reasonable person learned how to spot it from a mile away and despise it with passion... Because of that I absolutely hate political propaganda...
What you said about the Reps, how they are better at advertising? They are. To me, that's political propaganda, and that's why I don't like them, see?
Well, I guess I'm glad someone appreciates that.
Not that I don't like nice boxes, mind you, it's just not a priority. I don't think I want to go into that. I don't think Dan and Chris would appreciate it if we talk about them like they are not here.
Let's put it this way: there is a fine line between purposefully manipulating people to be your advertising agents by dangling pretty carrots and nice-sounding words in front of them, and creating a community by sincerely caring about your customers, whereby the company and the community live in symbiosis.
Sure. OK. And I guess I am susceptible to it because I look at it as a game, and I like games. It's fun. Why not?
What I don't get, returning to the original subject, is why any of this creates this unseemly outbreaks of "bashing"... Was the OP in this last thread some envious other vendor masquerading as an unsatisfied customer, or what?.. It's just weird how these things come out of no-where once in a while.
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Its all cool guys, but no one ever said on any product it was all 100% gotvapes that built it, i never built a full product from scratch until recently with some exclusive stuff that either i built or helped build or had built because of the people involved, I have said this many times as well that other vendors also assist on the same products at times and sometimes other vendors have more input while at other times i have much more input and even then most of the work is being done in china and built there and engineered there.
Gotvapes and I are known for bringing products back to life, working on ones that can be improved, Ive worked on products i dont even sell, i have assisted on fixing products that are sold exclusively for someone else, Im not an engineer but I have lots of friends from this community who chip in and assist to improve products. I never claimed to make the vivi nova but what i did claim cant be disputed and we where credited for that as well. I have never overstepped my boundaries either, If i say im working on something then you will all know to what extent and it cant be disputed as I dont lie about my involvement any its already well known that badkolo form gotvapes works with the factories and the factories have acknowledged this, It can be a simple plug change, to a tube change, to having new wire tried, fatter wicks, fluffier wicks, changing a product form sleeved to sleevles, giving designs for screw on tops before the v3 and vivi came out and much more, sometime it pans out sometimes it doesnt and then we keep on truckin. If there is one thing I learned form the ce2 days is you cant give up on a product, its because of everyone hard work we are even here today, if the persistence on the ce2 wasnt maintained it would have died that first week all the bad reviews kicked in, but we knew better and now years later the ce2 style has opened the door for so much more and microcig also takes credit for the bottom coil design as they had the phoenix before anyone but went with a different route.
It just seems lately people are trying to make continuous assessments on actually how deeply we are involved with products and their maturity when in the last 2 years i have shown as clear as day that i not only have the ability to get improvements done as was seen each few weeks with the ce2 and martinez to the vision line, phoenix line , Sapphire, and more, this was seen by all our forum goers and they can see the progression themselves, they could see things they asked for come to reality. SO not sure why people would think otherwise, even if other vendors or people from europe where assisting at the same time or not, I know what we work on, Im thaknfull for anyone else and what they do and appreciate it but i dont have the time to worry about that unless im working with them as well, all i can care about is the work i can contribute.
So sensefield you are correct but no one, nor dan or I has ever said otherwise, we have always given thanks to other vendors whoever they may be on any project they work on to improve the product, thats what we do and that is respected by us as well, its the pushing and moving forward that helps the chinese to improve the products, the community as a whole through trial and error has provided the feedback that gets them to improve as well.
This isnt simply about marketing, This is something you need to buy alot to get, this is wanted by the factories, they want the product marketed, they want us to give it a name and they prey a name sticks and our names stick, but we market the products we believe in fully and know can have a bright future, i do find any discussion about marketing silly, as we all buy products with name brands, i dont see a frenzy going on for no frill product at any store. When the rest of the world stops marketing there products then so will we. lol
Gotvapes and I are known for bringing products back to life, working on ones that can be improved, Ive worked on products i dont even sell, i have assisted on fixing products that are sold exclusively for someone else, Im not an engineer but I have lots of friends from this community who chip in and assist to improve products. I never claimed to make the vivi nova but what i did claim cant be disputed and we where credited for that as well. I have never overstepped my boundaries either, If i say im working on something then you will all know to what extent and it cant be disputed as I dont lie about my involvement any its already well known that badkolo form gotvapes works with the factories and the factories have acknowledged this, It can be a simple plug change, to a tube change, to having new wire tried, fatter wicks, fluffier wicks, changing a product form sleeved to sleevles, giving designs for screw on tops before the v3 and vivi came out and much more, sometime it pans out sometimes it doesnt and then we keep on truckin. If there is one thing I learned form the ce2 days is you cant give up on a product, its because of everyone hard work we are even here today, if the persistence on the ce2 wasnt maintained it would have died that first week all the bad reviews kicked in, but we knew better and now years later the ce2 style has opened the door for so much more and microcig also takes credit for the bottom coil design as they had the phoenix before anyone but went with a different route.
It just seems lately people are trying to make continuous assessments on actually how deeply we are involved with products and their maturity when in the last 2 years i have shown as clear as day that i not only have the ability to get improvements done as was seen each few weeks with the ce2 and martinez to the vision line, phoenix line , Sapphire, and more, this was seen by all our forum goers and they can see the progression themselves, they could see things they asked for come to reality. SO not sure why people would think otherwise, even if other vendors or people from europe where assisting at the same time or not, I know what we work on, Im thaknfull for anyone else and what they do and appreciate it but i dont have the time to worry about that unless im working with them as well, all i can care about is the work i can contribute.
So sensefield you are correct but no one, nor dan or I has ever said otherwise, we have always given thanks to other vendors whoever they may be on any project they work on to improve the product, thats what we do and that is respected by us as well, its the pushing and moving forward that helps the chinese to improve the products, the community as a whole through trial and error has provided the feedback that gets them to improve as well.
This isnt simply about marketing, This is something you need to buy alot to get, this is wanted by the factories, they want the product marketed, they want us to give it a name and they prey a name sticks and our names stick, but we market the products we believe in fully and know can have a bright future, i do find any discussion about marketing silly, as we all buy products with name brands, i dont see a frenzy going on for no frill product at any store. When the rest of the world stops marketing there products then so will we. lol
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Okay bad, time to fess up.... are you responsible for the new MIT titanium coils?
I guess Europe has required the change by 2013...Will GV be giving a coil designation to indicate it's titanium?
That's really good news. I've sort of been putting it out of my mind, but vaping on fiberglass wicks has been making me just a tad nervous... I like ceramic wick idea, myself, but the only ones available that I've seen are not only hideously expensive, but also only work on a hideously expensive PV that's not even VV.
I thought it was pretty much the same thing... SteelJan said so.
Me, I'm a material science ignoramus. Don't even know if concrete and cement are the same thing. Are they?..I thought it was pretty much the same thing... SteelJan said so.
When you fall down on either one it hurts your face.... that's close enough for me (not telling how I know that.)
Silica - A hard, unreactive, colorless compound, SiO2, that occurs as the mineral quartz... it is what glass is made from.
Briar... Google is your friend... lol.... ( if you really want to know about concrete and/or cement )
Briar... Google is your friend... lol.... ( if you really want to know about concrete and/or cement )
There are rules to advertising a product. You can not state things that are untrue. You can't portray something as working differently then it works. That's why Apple is being sued right now. Their commercials show Siri working in a way that it does not work in real life.
Advertisings sole purpose is to build a brand. A brand that holds positive mind share in turn sells products.
Propaganda is based on fear, hate and emotion. So, you asked about Republicans...Republicans strike first and their message is consistant from the top to the bottom. A few years ago it was decided that Nancy Pelosi was going to be the heel for the Republicans. It started with the local elections which was like testing it's impact. Then following year it was used in the general election because it was successful. Every single running democrate was "in bed with Nancy Pelosi". It also helped that she was unattractive and it was easy to find unflattering photos of her.
And of course, they also pander to those who have strong emotional connections to things like abortion and gay marriage. This allows them to win over the middle class even if their fiscal platform is actually against the middle class. Then the people who are making over 250k a year, they are on board because they don't want their taxes raised.
The Republicans are really good at what they do. It's really impressive to watch and to be a part of. Though it's all to the detriment of the majority of the country.
The Democrats are always playing defense...they are always missing the beat...they get attacked first, they are retaliating. They also believe that being the center will allow them to win by capturing the independents. They end up loosing some of their base while also not capturing all of the middle. They also don't call people names enough, they are never the ones who come up with things like flip flopper, socialist or birther. They were only successful with hope and change because it became clear that Bush was someone you want to hang out with, but not someone you want in the White House. Change and Hope won't work for them again...ever....for any Democratic candidate. It's just not something that can work without the perfect storm that we had four years ago.
How did we get into this? Sorry for being long...I can talk about political strategy for hours, but I tried to condense this.
No one thinks that people are stupid enough to be manipulated into buying a product anymore. The new world of advertising is community. Building a community around your brand. When a liquor company wants to put out a new liquor, they find influencers in communities where their product can grow organically through word of mouth. They throw private parties for these influencers and their friends. It's like seeds that grow from there. Millions are spend doing this, the majority of the advertising budget is stuff like that. You don't know about that, because your not considered an influencer in that scene
. So anyway...yes...I believe that Chris and Dan care about their customers. It would be stupid for them not to...their customers pay their rent. I do think that because there are two of them with clearly defined roles, They can tend to the forums better then other companies...and that is why they are more successful here then other companies. IMO.
Yes, you're susceptible. Why you are susceptible I don't know, I don't know you very well. I know that I am because I can't stand not knowing something and those little cropped in pics fuel my desire to see the whole picture and then try the actual product.
Sega vs. Nintendo in the 90s. Apple vs. Microsoft. Team Edward vs. Team whoever the wolf guy's name is. We like to take sides. That guy tried GotVapes...didn't like what he got, which I'm sure has happened to some of us here and there. He got mad that he couldn't return anything and we are on the internet...so he wanted to complain in public.
OR
He is a vender pretending to be a scorn customer. Given that it was his first post, I assume this is the case.
PEW! I'm not writing this much again...I'm done if you write back...sorry...can't write all this...no one wants to read all that! haha.
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