Tired of reading threads that bash gotvapes.

[Sense Field]

Its all cool guys, but no one ever said on any product its was all 100% gotvapes that built it, i never built a full product from scratch until recently, I have said this many times as well that other vendors also assist on the same products at times and sometimes other vendors have more input while at other times i have much more input and even then most of the work is being done in china and built there and engineered there.

Gotvapes and I are known for bringing products back to life, working on ones that can be improved, Ive worked on products i dont even sell, i have assisted on fixing products that are sold exclusively for someone else, Im not an engineer but I have lots of friends form this community who chip in and assist to improve products. I never claimed to make the vivi nova but what i did claim cant be disputed and we where credited for that as well. I have never overstepped my boundaries either, If i say im working on something then you will all know to what extent and it cant be disputed as I dont lie about my involvement, It can be a simple plug change, to a tube change, to having new wire tried, fatter wicks, fluffier wicks, changing a product form sleeved to sleevles, giving designs for screw on tops before the v3 and vivi came out and much more, sometime it pans out sometimes it doesnt and then we keep on truckin. If there is one thing I learned form the ce2 days is you cant give up on a product, its because of everyone hard work we are even here today, if the persistence on the ce2 wasnt maintained it would have died that first week all the bad reviews kicked in, but we knew better and now years later the ce2 style has opened the door for so much more and microcig also takes credit for the bottom coil design as they had the phoenix before anyone but went with a different route.

It just seems lately people are trying to make continuous assessments on actually how deeply we are involved with products and their maturity when in the last 2 years i have shown as clear as day that i not only have the ability to get improvements done as was seen each few weeks with the ce2 and martinez to the vision line, phoenix line and more, this was seen by all our forum goers and they can see the progression themselves, they could see things they asked for come to reality. SO not sure why people would think otherwise, even if other vendors or people form europe where assisting at the same time or not, I know what we work on, Im thaknfull for anyone else and what they do and appreciate it but i dont have the time to worry about that as all i can care about is the work i can contribute.

So sensefield you are correct but no one, nor dan or I has ever said otherwise, we have always given thanks to other vendors whoever they may be on any project they work on to improve the product, thats what we do and that is respected by us as well, its the pushing and moving forward that helps the chinese to improve the products, the community as a whole through trial and error has provided the feedback that gets them to improve as well.

This isnt simply about marketing, This is something you need to buy alot to get, this is wanted by the factories, they want the product marketed, they want us to give it a name and they prey a name sticks and our names stick, but we market the products we believe in fully and know can have a bright future, i do find any discussion about marketing silly, as we all buy products with name brands, i dont see a frenzy going on for no frill product at any store. When the rest of the world stops marketing there products then so will we. lol

Well said...perhaps that is what I was trying to say...only I didn't say it nearly as well.

Also...I know you never said anything otherwise...but some people out there don't get the whole picture that you just painted.



Ok...can we get on with showing me the rest of the stallion? For christ sake...I don't even know what it looks like and I freaking want it!

 

[Rule62]

There are rules to advertising a product. You can not state things that are untrue. You can't portray something as working differently then it works. That's why Apple is being sued right now. Their commercials show Siri working in a way that it does not work in real life.

Advertisings sole purpose is to build a brand. A brand that holds positive mind share in turn sells products.




Propaganda is based on fear, hate and emotion. So, you asked about Republicans...Republicans strike first and their message is consistant from the top to the bottom. A few years ago it was decided that Nancy Pelosi was going to be the heel for the Republicans. It started with the local elections which was like testing it's impact. Then following year it was used in the general election because it was successful. Every single running democrate was "in bed with Nancy Pelosi". It also helped that she was unattractive and it was easy to find unflattering photos of her.

And of course, they also pander to those who have strong emotional connections to things like abortion and gay marriage. This allows them to win over the middle class even if their fiscal platform is actually against the middle class. Then the people who are making over 250k a year, they are on board because they don't want their taxes raised.

The Republicans are really good at what they do. It's really impressive to watch and to be a part of. Though it's all to the detriment of the majority of the country.

The Democrats are always playing defense...they are always missing the beat...they get attacked first, they are retaliating. They also believe that being the center will allow them to win by capturing the independents. They end up loosing some of their base while also not capturing all of the middle. They also don't call people names enough, they are never the ones who come up with things like flip flopper, socialist or birther. They were only successful with hope and change because it became clear that Bush was someone you want to hang out with, but not someone you want in the White House. Change and Hope won't work for them again...ever....for any Democratic candidate. It's just not something that can work without the perfect storm that we had four years ago.

How did we get into this? Sorry for being long...I can talk about political strategy for hours, but I tried to condense this.




No one thinks that people are stupid enough to be manipulated into buying a product anymore. The new world of advertising is community. Building a community around your brand. When a liquor company wants to put out a new liquor, they find influencers in communities where their product can grow organically through word of mouth. They throw private parties for these influencers and their friends. It's like seeds that grow from there. Millions are spend doing this, the majority of the advertising budget is stuff like that. You don't know about that, because your not considered an influencer in that scene .

So anyway...yes...I believe that Chris and Dan care about their customers. It would be stupid for them not to...their customers pay their rent. I do think that because there are two of them with clearly defined roles, They can tend to the forums better then other companies...and that is why they are more successful here then other companies. IMO.



Yes, you're susceptible. Why you are susceptible I don't know, I don't know you very well. I know that I am because I can't stand not knowing something and those little cropped in pics fuel my desire to see the whole picture and then try the actual product.



Sega vs. Nintendo in the 90s. Apple vs. Microsoft. Team Edward vs. Team whoever the wolf guy's name is. We like to take sides. That guy tried GotVapes...didn't like what he got, which I'm sure has happened to some of us here and there. He got mad that he couldn't return anything and we are on the internet...so he wanted to complain in public.

OR

He is a vender pretending to be a scorn customer. Given that it was his first post, I assume this is the case.


PEW! I'm not writing this much again...I'm done if you write back...sorry...can't write all this...no one wants to read all that! haha.

I read it all, and found it fascinating; especially the part about Nancy Pelosi. I love political strategy.

 

[Briar]

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Ok...can we get on with showing me the rest of the stallion? For christ sake...I don't even know what it looks like and I freaking want it!

Advertising!!!

BTW - this kind works on me because I am unbearably, incurably, unapologetically curious. I am so curious, sometimes I think I have a tail, and I get nervous around rocking chairs!

 

[SkyDancer]

I've been wanting to order from Got Vapes. As soon as the items I want are back in stock, GotVapes PHOENiX™ 3ml Bottom Coil eGo Tank 2.4-2.6ohm SLEEVED [gv-PHOENIX-TANK-SLEEVED-2.4] - $10.95 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more I'll be all over them I've been looking for a good vendor closer to me and having something shipped from TX is a lot better than the east and west coasts. Their juice looks good too.

 

[Briar]

Hi, SkyDancer

Yeah, the shipping around here has been a big selling point lately. Danno got this teleport thing going. Oh, and taffy, of course, when he can lay his hands on it. The taffy is delicious!

I live on the East Coast, and I've been pretty much getting my packages in two days. Hey, maybe it's not a teleport, maybe it's a Tardis... Hmmm...

 

[kbalz]

I think gv is doing a great job at advertising, marketing , or what ever anybody wants to call it.every successful business does it.Advertising says to people, Here's what we've got. Here's what it will do for you. Here's how to get it. GV engages its customers, listens to feedback , and continues to improve its products. After all it is the sizzle that sells the steak.

Its all cool guys, but no one ever said on any product it was all 100% gotvapes that built it, i never built a full product from scratch until recently with some exclusive stuff that either i built or helped build or had built because of the people involved, I have said this many times as well that other vendors also assist on the same products at times and sometimes other vendors have more input while at other times i have much more input and even then most of the work is being done in china and built there and engineered there.

Gotvapes and I are known for bringing products back to life, working on ones that can be improved, Ive worked on products i dont even sell, i have assisted on fixing products that are sold exclusively for someone else, Im not an engineer but I have lots of friends from this community who chip in and assist to improve products. I never claimed to make the vivi nova but what i did claim cant be disputed and we where credited for that as well. I have never overstepped my boundaries either, If i say im working on something then you will all know to what extent and it cant be disputed as I dont lie about my involvement any its already well known that badkolo form gotvapes works with the factories and the factories have acknowledged this, It can be a simple plug change, to a tube change, to having new wire tried, fatter wicks, fluffier wicks, changing a product form sleeved to sleevles, giving designs for screw on tops before the v3 and vivi came out and much more, sometime it pans out sometimes it doesnt and then we keep on truckin. If there is one thing I learned form the ce2 days is you cant give up on a product, its because of everyone hard work we are even here today, if the persistence on the ce2 wasnt maintained it would have died that first week all the bad reviews kicked in, but we knew better and now years later the ce2 style has opened the door for so much more and microcig also takes credit for the bottom coil design as they had the phoenix before anyone but went with a different route.

It just seems lately people are trying to make continuous assessments on actually how deeply we are involved with products and their maturity when in the last 2 years i have shown as clear as day that i not only have the ability to get improvements done as was seen each few weeks with the ce2 and martinez to the vision line, phoenix line , Sapphire, and more, this was seen by all our forum goers and they can see the progression themselves, they could see things they asked for come to reality. SO not sure why people would think otherwise, even if other vendors or people from europe where assisting at the same time or not, I know what we work on, Im thaknfull for anyone else and what they do and appreciate it but i dont have the time to worry about that unless im working with them as well, all i can care about is the work i can contribute.

So sensefield you are correct but no one, nor dan or I has ever said otherwise, we have always given thanks to other vendors whoever they may be on any project they work on to improve the product, thats what we do and that is respected by us as well, its the pushing and moving forward that helps the chinese to improve the products, the community as a whole through trial and error has provided the feedback that gets them to improve as well.

This isnt simply about marketing, This is something you need to buy alot to get, this is wanted by the factories, they want the product marketed, they want us to give it a name and they prey a name sticks and our names stick, but we market the products we believe in fully and know can have a bright future, i do find any discussion about marketing silly, as we all buy products with name brands, i dont see a frenzy going on for no frill product at any store. When the rest of the world stops marketing there products then so will we. lol

 

[Sense Field]

I read it all, and found it fascinating; especially the part about Nancy Pelosi. I love political strategy.

Well I'm glad someone did!

How's this for a few nuggets:

There was once a candidate running against our guy who was accused of stealing a dog when he was a teenager. He didn't steal a dog and wasn't charged with anything. Half of the campaign ran on the message "So-and-so is a dog thief, you don't want to elect a dog their do you?". Our ads showed a very sad kid on the front stoop of her house with a dog leash and collor but no dog. We won. Emotion trups logic. The Democrat had to waste a bunch of campaign money trying to changes people's perception of him as a dog thief.

Also...when you see commercials with newspaper headlines in them...well I've had many newspaper headlines altered in photoshop...like removing a subhead that contradicts our message.

Any ad you see from an independent group...they are just a way to get the population thinking things that are too amoral for the main campaign to say.

All advertising my the main campaign is, and has to be, approved by the candidate. If a candidate ever says they didn't see an ad or mailer or whatever...it's a lie...they see it all before it goes out and approve it all.

 

[Briar]

See, and I watch something like that - and, oh, God, how many nuggets like that are out there, and it drives me insane with fury.

What you say here surprises me not even one bit - this is why I don't even watch TV any more.

Why can't people see through it? Why? Why are low-lifes who do such things allowed to govern us???

And how interesting it is that advertising for products is supposed to be truthful - at least somewhat - by law, while no law protects us against the perversions of truth by our politicians.

Sometimes I feel like humanity makes no progress - from Demosthenes, to Caesar, to Henry VIII, to Stalin, to Hitler - and now we have these half-baked cheats who dole out the word "democracy" like it's a rose on a wedding cake, but the rose is fake, and doesn't even taste good, because the cook is a cheat.

I am getting too damned old and frustrated for politics anymore. Not good for my nerves. I am going to go and take a nap and calm down . And then come back and talk about vaping.




EDIT: I got rid of finger-pointing at Republicans. It's not really fair, and might piss people off to boot. Truth is, they all do it. The Republicans are just better at it. Like I said earlier, the Obama campaign did it to Clinton in the last election.

And one other thing: it often seems like these people are completely out of touch with reality that most people live. And for some strange reason, instead of pulling them into the real world, we allow them to pull us into their world, where ideology tramps common sense and even the simple material good of an average person. And then average people start talking in slogans - which no-one really understands, not even the politicians themselves.

Here is one of my favorites: Redistribution of Wealth. It was touted by all sorts of politicians and commentators during the last presidential election as the Downfall of Democracy and the Death of Free Enterprise. Heck - what does that mean? Any trade, any taxation, any exchange of any kind, any economy of any kind, is "redistribution of wealth"... Good grief.

And on the other side: Hope and Change. Touted as the Way to the Bright New Future. Hope for what? Change from what to what? What are the particulars? Well, there were no particulars, as we now see so well. Demagoguery rather than democracy prevailed yet again.

Blech, to quote my dearly departed cat.

I'm done now.

 

[harleydiva]

What drives me crazy is all the "hidden agendas" buried in laws that are passed. I actually read through a bunch of the obamacare bill, till I got so freaked out I just gave up and quit.

 

[burns_erin]

What drives me crazy is all the "hidden agendas" buried in laws that are passed. I actually read through a bunch of the obamacare bill, till I got so freaked out I just gave up and quit.

Yeah, there was alot of weirdness in there for sure. Some good: like the laws protecting a working and breastfeeding mother, some bad: like sponsoring a nascar and forestry bs. But none of it belonged in a healthcare bill!

 

[zippersnapper]

Politicians are like diapers...they need to be changed for the same reason....

 

[mudhill]

the thing about diapers is the new ones fill up pretty quick too.

 

[Sense Field]

Politicians are like diapers...they need to be changed for the same reason....

This actually brings me to a point that I've had in my head for a long time, but it will never happen.

Right now, being a politician is a job. It shouldn't be a job, it should be like volunteering at a soup kitchen. Public service.

Solution: set a maximum number of years that a congressmen or senator can serve. Perhaps two terms?

Problem: to enact this, the senate and congress would have to vote it in.

Of course, this will never happen.

 

[badkolo]

the thing about diapers is the new ones fill up pretty quick too.

eat less, smaller mess?? lol

 

[Briar]

Some sci-fi writer (Heinlein, maybe?) had suggested at some point to make political offices very unattractive, to only allow people to qualify for high political offices who absolutely do not want the job, but are forced to it by the virtue of their other qualification, and to only release them from the job if they have a high approval rating and do a good job.

Yes, it should be public service. But don't start me on political modeling... I also think that democracy is not the best system of government. I'd prefer a meritorial republic, myself, for the reason that I don't believe that people who at the very least do not take the trouble to study the issues should be allowed to vote on those issues... Etc. I realize that I'm at risk of being on the receiving end of rotten tomatoes for that one. But look at what happened to ancient Athens, and you'll see what I mean...

This actually brings me to a point that I've had in my head for a long time, but it will never happen.

Right now, being a politician is a job. It shouldn't be a job, it should be like volunteering at a soup kitchen. Public service.

Solution: set a maximum number of years that a congressmen or senator can serve. Perhaps two terms?

Problem: to enact this, the senate and congress would have to vote it in.

Of course, this will never happen.

 

[Rule62]

This actually brings me to a point that I've had in my head for a long time, but it will never happen.

Right now, being a politician is a job. It shouldn't be a job, it should be like volunteering at a soup kitchen. Public service.

Solution: set a maximum number of years that a congressmen or senator can serve. Perhaps two terms?

Problem: to enact this, the senate and congress would have to vote it in.

Of course, this will never happen.

To enact it would require a Constitutional Amendment.

 

[zippersnapper]

I'm still trying to get over the whole "Able to vote thyself pay raises" thing...What the Hell?

 

[harleydiva]

How about how they pass Obamacare for us.....but they are under a different health insurance system.....

 

[yiddleboge6]

How about how they pass Obamacare for us.....but they are under a different health insurance system.....

The sad thing is that most of them have so much money they should be able to pay for their health care without insurance

 

[AG51]

dats cute