Titanium grade 1 is here to stay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (for me at least)

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    I just received 50 feet of .5mm (24 gauge) titanium yesterday (ordered from Amazon). I was expecting the wire to be difficult to work with since so many people have complained about it being so springy, but the wire I got was extremely easy to work with. Works well with my rDNA 40 too.

    What was your build for the rDNA?
    Wraps/dia/ohm/temp setting... spaced/contact?
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    OK...You can never have too much wire, so I ordered a roll.

    Looks like you wrap these spaced ?
    Have you tried contact/dry burn/squeeze ?

    I have not...yet, alot of people keep saying that dry burning is bad...I guess due to whatever oxides are released at higher temps so my first round was spaced and I may do some compressed but I dunno yet...
     

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    I just received 50 feet of .5mm (24 gauge) titanium yesterday (ordered from Amazon). I was expecting the wire to be difficult to work with since so many people have complained about it being so springy, but the wire I got was extremely easy to work with. Works well with my rDNA 40 too.

    EXACTLY...I almost didn't get any cause everyone said it was so hard to work with...this stuff is SUPER easy to work with, for me at least, it's not any different that working with nichrome 80
     

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    I have not...yet, alot of people keep saying that dry burning is bad...I guess due to whatever oxides are released at higher temps so my first round was spaced and I may do some compressed but I dunno yet...
    I saw that too. But there were also critics with metallurgical backgrounds that basically dismissed the concern of oxides being "toxic".
    There were a few that referenced studies that showed oxides that vapers are likely to be exposed to are considered "Mild Irritants" to the lungs but in industrial settings where employees would be exposed to doses far exceeding what any vaper would ever be likely to reach.

    Most oxides formed on typical wire such as Kanthal is mostly aluminum oxide which bonds to the metal and is highly unlikely to flake off since the oxide is harder than the base metal. what does come off is usually in flakes that are unlikely to end up in the lungs, and again isn't technically considered toxic, especially in the minute doses that we would be exposed to.
    Titanium Oxide is for the most part benign, it is the main active ingredient in sunscreen, but when it oxidizes it forms a whitish powder on the surface of the metal that is easily brushed off. That could be inhaled deep into the lungs but again, according to the responses referencing published studies is still only a irritant if inhaled and not necessarily a toxin.

    It's a judgement call concerning what metal you choose for your coil but I feel reassured that any exposure to these oxides from either Kanthal or Titanium is of such minimal risk that I'll experiment with Ti and feel confident that it's no riskier than any other available material.

    The only issue I saw that does concern me is that contact coils using Ti seem to be more at risk of shorting and popping than the others.
    I love my contact micro-coils but that doesn't mean I couldn't get used to spaced coils if the performance and taste exceeds my long time friend Kanthal.
     

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    I saw that too. But there were also critics with metallurgical backgrounds that basically dismissed the concern of oxides being "toxic".
    There were a few that referenced studies that showed oxides that vapers are likely to be exposed to are considered "Mild Irritants" to the lungs but in industrial settings where employees would be exposed to doses far exceeding what any vaper would ever be likely to reach.

    Most oxides formed on typical wire such as Kanthal is mostly aluminum oxide which bonds to the metal and is highly unlikely to flake off since the oxide is harder than the base metal. what does come off is usually in flakes that are unlikely to end up in the lungs, and again isn't technically considered toxic, especially in the minute doses that we would be exposed to.
    Titanium Oxide is for the most part benign, it is the main active ingredient in sunscreen, but when it oxidizes it forms a whitish powder on the surface of the metal that is easily brushed off. That could be inhaled deep into the lungs but again, according to the responses referencing published studies is still only a irritant if inhaled and not necessarily a toxin.

    It's a judgement call concerning what metal you choose for your coil but I feel reassured that any exposure to these oxides from either Kanthal or Titanium is of such minimal risk that I'll experiment with Ti and feel confident that it's no riskier than any other available material.

    The only issue I saw that does concern me is that contact coils using Ti seem to be more at risk of shorting and popping than the others.
    I love my contact micro-coils but that doesn't mean I couldn't get used to spaced coils if the performance and taste exceeds my long time friend Kanthal.

    Yeah I heard that about the contact coils as well which is why I just made the first ones as I did but everyone who HAS made them seems yet to have complained from what I can find right now and a lot of peeps are using twisted coils with the Ti in 30 gauge so...I will try as soon as I can find some 30 gauge...the site I wanted to get it from is out and has been out for some time as I discovered...rubbish, all rubbish
     

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    Yeah I heard that about the contact coils as well which is why I just made the first ones as I did but everyone who HAS made them seems yet to have complained from what I can find right now and a lot of peeps are using twisted coils with the Ti in 30 gauge so...I will try as soon as I can find some 30 gauge...the site I wanted to get it from is out and has been out for some time as I discovered...rubbish, all rubbish

    Yeah... I noticed that as well.
    This was posted on the "other" Ti thread... 30g and in stock.
    https://www.etsy.com/listing/74698735/pure-titanium-wire-hypoallergenic-100
    Whaddayathink?!?
     

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    What was your build for the rDNA?
    Wraps/dia/ohm/temp setting... spaced/contact?
    Thanks

    Spaced (since it was my first temp sensing build, I wanted the least number of complications), about 9 wraps (if memory serves me correctly -- it was a long coil) around a 3/32 drill bit. Came to about .27 ohms. It's saved me from burn hits since I put this in a Taifun GT clone that's having difficulty wicking (juice is probably too thick for a tank, and my GT has always been finicky about wicking -- it either floods or goes dry).
     

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    EXACTLY...I almost didn't get any cause everyone said it was so hard to work with...this stuff is SUPER easy to work with, for me at least, it's not any different that working with nichrome 80

    Mine is very close to kanthal, but maybe slightly softer. The nichrome 80 I had was much softer than this. Overall, definitely an easy wire to work with.

    This is what I ordered if anyone is interested.

    Amazon.com : Titanium Wire Gr. 1 Pure .50 Mm 50 Ft. Round Wire : Other Products : Everything Else
     

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    Mine is very close to kanthal, but maybe slightly softer. The nichrome 80 I had was much softer than this. Overall, definitely an easy wire to work with.

    This is what I ordered if anyone is interested.

    Amazon.com : Titanium Wire Gr. 1 Pure .50 Mm 50 Ft. Round Wire : Other Products : Everything Else

    It has been a while since I have worked with kanthal so this may be closer to kanthal as you said, all I have used in the last erm...almost year I think is nichrome and nickel so yeah, maybe closer to kanthal
     
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