Titanium wire dry burn?

[Fsx]

Hi everybody. Just registered here to talk about tc in "tc beyond ni200" topic. But I need to write 5 posts here))
So the question is: why can't we dry burn titanium wire? Done it few times to clean the coil with no issues.
Thanks in advance for ur answers.

 

[Nikita Marinko]

I am no genius in this area, but I dont dry burn any of my coils, especially if they have wick around them (cuz burnt wick is eeek). I would say you are in the safe zone unless you are that push it to the limit guy with a mod and vape it over 170W. There are speculations about it dissociating and releasing TiO2 which is toxic. But that would mean the coil has to reach over 170 Celsius but it is more about pure titanium wires.

 

[Fsx]

I am no genius in this area, but I dont dry burn any of my coils, especially if they have wick around them (cuz burnt wick is eeek). I would say you are in the safe zone unless you are that push it to the limit guy with a mod and vape it over 170W. There are speculations about it dissociating and releasing TiO2 which is toxic. But that would mean the coil has to reach over 170 Celsius but it is more about pure titanium wires.

Thx for ur answer. I'm talking only about dry burning a coil without a wick, of course. For cleaning purpose only. The wire is not degradating and there is no other issues (i.e. resistance change, taste change, etc). Are there any ways to know that coil is "bad-oxidated"?

 

[Nikita Marinko]

I would say that the some of the ways to notice this would be visual, when you look at the coil if the wire has pop marks (but that is an extreme possiblity, because that would mean you would have to give it extreme conditions like super hight temp). Or by taste, im pretty sure this toxin would taste AWFUL.

I advise if you are cleaning a coil, do not dry burn. Get some cheap vodka, or buy pharmacy grade alcohol (they can be cheap too and have higher percentage of aclohol content), but to be honest, cheap vodka is teh best.
Put a little in a cointainer to cover it (a small jar perhaps), throw your coil in, wiggle it from side to side (I do it with the other side of a toothbrush for instance) as much as you feel. If the container get dirty of the stuff that came off the coil, replenish it it with vodka and let it sit over night. In the morning dry run it under water, dry with tissues and hair dryer on cool setting (its metal so it will dry fast lol, cuz the water only sticks to it). And you are good to go.
The coil will be shiny as new.
Dry burning is pointless to me for some reason. I dont understand what exactly does it help with during cleaning.

 

[Fsx]

I would say that the some of the ways to notice this would be visual, when you look at the coil if the wire has pop marks (but that is an extreme possiblity, because that would mean you would have to give it extreme conditions like super hight temp). Or by taste, im pretty sure this toxin would taste AWFUL.

I advise if you are cleaning a coil, do not dry burn. Get some cheap vodka, or buy pharmacy grade alcohol (they can be cheap too and have higher percentage of aclohol content), but to be honest, cheap vodka is teh best.
Put a little in a cointainer to cover it (a small jar perhaps), throw your coil in, wiggle it from side to side (I do it with the other side of a toothbrush for instance) as much as you feel. If the container get dirty of the stuff that came off the coil, replenish it it with vodka and let it sit over night. In the morning dry run it under water, dry with tissues and hair dryer on cool setting (its metal so it will dry fast lol, cuz the water only sticks to it). And you are good to go.
The coil will be shiny as new.
Dry burning is pointless to me for some reason. I dont understand what exactly does it help with during cleaning.

Yeap, I've tried vodka and brush, but still can't clean all the gunk. My titanium wire is not shiny and it is not springing at all. I think it is somekind of "pre-fired" wire. So dry burning is the best way to take all the gunk away. The other thing is that it's much simpler just to dry burn a coil (same as with kanthal wire) than cleaning it with a brush. So the main question is about TiO2, as I understand))

 

[Nikita Marinko]

Hard to call the best solution on that one then. I always used kanthals and vodka method if I needed to clean and they were fine, but then again I vape flavourless 3 parts flavourfull 1 part (of those that I have left), and mostly flavourless fully. So I never encounter gunk and after 2-3 weeks I just build a new coil. But then again im rebuilding aspire bdc and bvcs coil. I guess you use and rba/rda?

 

[Nikita Marinko]

Meaning the flavourless liquid leave almost no gunk and what I do is I change wick.

 

[WindyCityJoe]

Welcome @Fsx

 

[Alien Traveler]

I am no genius in this area, but I dont dry burn any of my coils, especially if they have wick around them (cuz burnt wick is eeek). I would say you are in the safe zone unless you are that push it to the limit guy with a mod and vape it over 170W. There are speculations about it dissociating and releasing TiO2 which is toxic. But that would mean the coil has to reach over 170 Celsius but it is more about pure titanium wires.

TiO2 is not toxic.

 

[Nikita Marinko]

Oops. I did now know that. I guess I was misinformed.

 

[Nikita Marinko]

Hmm but this website
"Titanium wires for vaping"
“In this test I was careful to make sure the coils didn't overheat. We've all had a dry hit or lean vape by accident, so during normal usage it's possible the oxidisation would be worse. Titanium oxide is particularly toxic and seems to be produced at normal vaping temperatures, so I won't be using titanium as a safer alternative to Kanthal.”

 

[Completely Average]

I am no genius in this area, but I dont dry burn any of my coils, especially if they have wick around them (cuz burnt wick is eeek). I would say you are in the safe zone unless you are that push it to the limit guy with a mod and vape it over 170W. There are speculations about it dissociating and releasing TiO2 which is toxic. But that would mean the coil has to reach over 170 Celsius but it is more about pure titanium wires.

First off, if you're vaping at all then you're going over 170C. In fact you're almost certainly well above 200C at normal vaping temps.

Second, you NEVER dry burn any temperature control coil because they do produce toxic vapors. Titanium starts producing toxins at 600C, or just before it starts glowing red. If you're heating it enough to make the coil glow then you're producing titanium dioxide. If your coil is glowing bright red then you've pushed it beyong 1000C, far more than enough to produce toxic fumes.

 

[Fsx]

Thanks for your reply. Any proofs about 600C titanium toxins producing?

 

[Alien Traveler]

First off, if you're vaping at all then you're going over 170C. In fact you're almost certainly well above 200C at normal vaping temps.

Second, you NEVER dry burn any temperature control coil because they do produce toxic vapors. Titanium starts producing toxins at 600C, or just before it starts glowing red. If you're heating it enough to make the coil glow then you're producing titanium dioxide. If your coil is glowing bright red then you've pushed it beyong 1000C, far more than enough to produce toxic fumes.

How so? What toxic fumes? I believe you heard from a wrong source.

 

[Alien Traveler]

I do not use Ti and Ni, so no personal experience. Ti is rather safe (from health point of view), Ni - a bit questionable. I would not dry burn them. Above 600 C Ti absorbs a lot of oxygen and nitrogen, it leads to embrittlement and poor mechanical properties. Ni also does not behave as good as kanthal at elevated temperatures (and possible it can produce some health problems, I am not sure). It is one of the things why I am keeping out of TC. I like to dry burn my kanthal. Coils work forever.

 

[Completely Average]

How so? What toxic fumes? I believe you heard from a wrong source.

Always know what you're vaping with.

CCOHS: What's New Archive

 

[Alien Traveler]

Always know what you're vaping with.

CCOHS: What's New Archive

Or, my... Another sub par research on the same level that the old one about saccharine. To feed rats with some or other stuff until they die... Now saccharine is not cancerogen anymore, but they did found TiO2...
OK, let's look here:
Titanium dioxide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
the human studies conducted so far do not suggest an association between occupational exposure to titanium dioxide and an increased risk for cancer
discovery that high concentrations of pigment-grade (powdered) and ultrafine titanium dioxide dust caused respiratory tract cancer in rats exposed by inhalation and intratracheal instillation - it means rats got a awful lot of TiO2, it was even forsed into their lungs not trough normal breathing, but directly into their tracheae.

There is one deadly disease - silicosis. Take a look at MSDS on sand:
http://www.mcpur.com/main/library/msds/MSDS_Gravel_1237819.pdf
Reading it you'll realize how dangerous and cancerogenic this stuff is: The adverse health effects -– lung disease, silicosis, cancer, autoimmune disease, tuberculosis, and nephrotoxicity. Would you ever go to a beach again?

I'd like not to see posts about toxicity and dangers of TiO2. But of coarse I'll see them...

 

[Bunnykiller]

I am no genius in this area, but I dont dry burn any of my coils, especially if they have wick around them (cuz burnt wick is eeek). I would say you are in the safe zone unless you are that push it to the limit guy with a mod and vape it over 170W. There are speculations about it dissociating and releasing TiO2 which is toxic. But that would mean the coil has to reach over 170 Celsius but it is more about pure titanium wires.

ummm TiO2 is not toxic.... it is an inert material used in many items safe for human consumption

 

[Bunnykiller]

I do not use Ti and Ni, so no personal experience. Ti is rather safe (from health point of view), Ni - a bit questionable. I would not dry burn them. Above 600 C Ti absorbs a lot of oxygen and nitrogen, it leads to embrittlement and poor mechanical properties. Ni also does not behave as good as kanthal at elevated temperatures (and possible it can produce some health problems, I am not sure). It is one of the things why I am keeping out of TC. I like to dry burn my kanthal. Coils work forever.

what do they use in turbine engines??? I was under the impression it was Ti.

 

[Bunnykiller]

I did find a level of toxic/death amounts when eaten.... 5 times your body weight...
LD50 is 5000mg/Kg