to better understand the realm of temp control

[tony7432]

i was under the assumption that if im in temp mode say 500F it doesnt matter what i have the wattage set to correct? because i watched a few mod review vids today and it was made to sound like the taste would be different or atleast made it sound like it mattered what the wattage was set on even though it was on temp mode

 

[Bunnykiller]

from what Ive heard, the wattage setting is used to bring the coil temp up faster/slower to operating set point. Once the set point is reached, the wattage setting is "ignored" and the firmware ( code) takes over to maintain the temp...

kinda like having a rocket motor on the back of a dragster to get it going, and then a govener (sp) on the engine to keep the speed constant once the limit is reached... yea I know weird analogy...

 

[dhood]

I saw an interesting explanation recently on the subject. The way it was explained was that the wattage/joule setting was a measure of how much power will be applied to the coil to get it to the set temperature. The higher the setting, the more power is applied and the quicker it ramps up to the set temperature. I don't believe you would see a world of difference between 40 and 50 watts, or 30 and 40 watts. But you'd definitely see a difference between 15 and 50 watts.

 

[tony7432]

interesting, usually i have the wattage set at 40w and temp around 500F, right now i have it set at 75w and 850F, i do notice slightly bigger clouds but i cant say i taste much different in flavor

 

[erikbal]

Thanks for starting this thread as I have been wondering how that works myself. I don't have any tc mods but am still interested in learning how they work.

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[AndriaD]

I agree; excellent thread!

Also -- it doesn't matter a whit that TC coils have to be sub-ohm -- TC can still be used for tootle puffers, it just depends on the temp you set -- the low resistance is because of the properties of nickel or titanium wire, it doesn't mean you suddenly become a cloud chaser.

I don't have a TC mod yet, but I'm eagerly anticipating getting one, ASAP -- so I'm trying to learn as much as possible, so I won't feel so lost at sea when I do finally get it.

Andria

 

[roxynoodle]

850°F? I haven't seen a mod that goes past 600? That would be much too hot for me, lol!

 

[DanJiblets]

850°F? I haven't seen a mod that goes past 600? That would be much too hot for me, lol!

Lol right!

 

[yuseffuhler]

850°F? I haven't seen a mod that goes past 600? That would be much too hot for me, lol!

I feel like a Victor link would be in order here lol. 850°, even if you're using a completely soaked wick and coil, would probably just explode in flame.

 

[Thayamax]

Doesn't setting it at 850F pretty much negate the benefits of temp control?

 

[suprtrkr]

My TC mod is a Snow Wolf. You set the wattage to limit total power and temp to limit total temp. I usually set min at about 50 watts and 435 degrees. That way, the mod makes no more than 50 watts heating up to temp, and then holds at 425 when it gets there.

 

[coolerat]

Only professional vapers can handle 850 degrees.

I set mine in the mid 400 range and max out the joules and fire away.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Only professional vapers can handle 850 degrees.

I set mine in the mid 400 range and max out the joules and fire away.

You mean professional vapers are smoking cotton?

interesting, usually i have the wattage set at 40w and temp around 500F, right now i have it set at 75w and 850F, i do notice slightly bigger clouds but i cant say i taste much different in flavor

Are you sure? It is above ignition temperature of cotton.

 

[Quantum Mech]

Setting your wattage/joules far higher than your coil needs to reach your TP setting will cause a more erratic control

using say 50w when all you need is 20w will cause a larger over shoot of your TP setting than using the required 20w

20w would run smoother and stay closer to your setting

50w would cause more of a fight between power being applied and throttling back n forth

This can be seen in real time on the sx350j chips

 

[xtwosm0kesx]

I assume (by looking at his signature) that he's using the SMOK m80 and if so the temp setting means nothing as the mod does NOT have ANYTHING resembling actual temp control.

(sorry Tony, pretty ...... about SMOK and their consistent lies about that mod having TC)

 

[crxess]

Not sure why anyone would Vape at 850 degrees and haven't see a TC Mod with that high a setting.(Probably are a few though)
Cotton isn't going to Burn at any temp as long as it stays wet.

Yes, Watts/Joules is your accelerator to get you up to speed(Temp)

 

[bwh79]

In a nutshell:

The mod will deliver the set wattage until the desired temperature is reached, and then it will back off the wattage, delivering only what is required to maintain that temperature, regardless of the setting. Setting a higher wattage only causes that temperature to be reached more quickly. Once it reaches 500 degrees, for example, it only takes so many watts (say, ten or so) to maintain that temperature; the device will only deliver so many watts (say, ten or so) no matter if it is set for fifteen watts or fifty.

 

[MagicJosh]

interesting, usually i have the wattage set at 40w and temp around 500F, right now i have it set at 75w and 850F, i do notice slightly bigger clouds but i cant say i taste much different in flavor

smok pro m80 plus is not correct temp control. He means the real temp control devices where the device can sence you have a nickel build on it and it changes from wattage mode to Temp control M80 is manual.

Temp Control is just sensing the temperature of your nickel wire. And it reduces temp over and over to keep your coil from burning the cotton. Basically it sucks up all the juice on your cotton without burning it, no matter how many times you press the fire button. If you buy an iStick 40 TC, never build a nickel coil below .10 or the mod gets burning hot and feels like its about to blow up! iStick nailed temp control for newbies.. Smok supposedly got a new chip going into the m80's where it works like all the other TC mods. And is going to work where is senses the coil and you can no longer turn you wattage up and down. only the temperature.

But I do like the old temp control for m80's because it works with Kanthal and you could manually set it to a spot where it won't burn your cotton, but it wouldn't or won't do it ''for you'' like the real TC.

What I learned is that the best vape is this. Find a tank that works well. Huge juice channels (Goliath v1) and constantly floods your wicks, There as you can use wattage 1-100 + and it will NEVER burn your wicks and you get cooking vape with much flavor. Do not buy tanks with small juice holes (First RBA deck for Subtanks) look for the ones with HUGE juice channels. You won't care about TC any longer.

P.s. The Lemo 2 has the best deck for building large 30-26 gauge nickel coils for a tank. (If you build your own) WOrks fab.

 

[sofarsogood]

I'm using a Kangxin mini 50w TC and various rda's (500 degrees and 40 watts except for one dripper that wants less than that). When the wick is supersaturated with liguid a lot more power is applied, if I've allowed it in the watts setting, because it takes a bit more time to reach the temperature max. If I don't add liquid for a while and the wick is drier a lot less watts are used to reach the max temp because the coil heats up faster with less liquid to keep it cool. I'm so hooked on temp control I don't use my watts controled mods any more. Fortunately I've only got a couple of them. My drippers do great on TC. If you've been rebuilding kanthal for a few months it's not so hard to work with nickel and it's worth it. I can't comment about replacable coil heads with nickel because I haven't used any.

Edit, also drawing air past the coil cools it so more watts are used to keep it at max temp.

My opinion is TC will soon be the new normal and beginngers who get good advice will be starting with that for the same money we used to spend on an iStick 20 and Nautilus mini.

 

[dhood]

I'm with Andria. I believe it is the future of vaping but I'm waiting and reading everything I can. I'm hoping something reasonably reliable will be available when I hit my first year in about a month. If not, I'll just wait a bit.