To Steep of Not To Steep: That is the question
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Hm... if it tastes like crap, if you let it sit for about 2 weeks and it then still tastes like crap, just throw it out and never buy from that vendor again.
Unless - you have bought very nice liquids from that vendor before. Then, do contact them. Maybe it was a "bad batch"'. And you can get a replacement.
But there are some liquids that just taste icky.
In my experience: for example "strawberry"
1. can taste like strawberries - nice
2. can taste like strawberry candy - nice
3. can taste like.. hm.. artificial strawberry flavor - hm.. ok... mixed with something else
4. can taste like (I imagine) the waste from a chemical factory.. with a light smell of strawberry but nothing of the strawberry flavor - yuck yuck!
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This ain't whiskey.
Ok, say a vendor offers nicotine levels in,
0ml
6mg
12mg
18mg
24mg
They offer PG/VG in,
70PG/30VG
50PG/50PG
30PG/70PG
100% VG
They offer bottle sizes in,
7.5ml
15ml
30ml
60ml
They offer sweetener,
Yes
No
They offer added mint/menthol in,
Light
medium
heavy
There are 18 choices here. Some vendors offer even more, but let's stick with 18. How many possible combinations are there? I'll let you do the math. It's ok, I'll wait.
Now, do you really expect vendors to have that many variations for every flavor they carry bottled up, sitting around aging for two weeks before it can even be shipped? Seriously?
If you only want to buy premixed, ready made, off the shelf e-liquid with your only choice being the size of the bottle and possibly a couple of different nicotine levels, that's perfectly fine, but you won't find much to choose from.
If people weren't able to customize their e-liquid to what they like and what they need to get off cigarettes, most of us would still be smoking.
Oh, you are absolutely right. I have some juices that I will absolutely never touch again. I hold on to them for friends who want to try new liquids, but they are just never going to work for me. Dumping and cleaning can be incredibly frustrating, so I probably wouldn't try the spearmint again anytime soon.
Do you use/Have you considered using a dripper to try liquids so you can avoid the dumping and cleaning?
Also, I will go ahead and jump on the MBV bandwagon. Their prices are great and I always get my orders super fast. Most of their flavors do get better with steeping, but I order some that I can vape right out of the mail. I appreciate the fact that they note if their liquids are known tank crackers and they give you an idea on how dark of a liquid you will be getting. I have about 20 different flavors from them. There are some that aren't my favorites, but I have never gotten one from them that I consider absolutely unvapable.
This ain't whiskey.
Ok, say a vendor offers nicotine levels in,
0ml
6mg
12mg
18mg
24mg
They offer PG/VG in,
70PG/30VG
50PG/50PG
30PG/70PG
100% VG
They offer bottle sizes in,
7.5ml
15ml
30ml
60ml
They offer sweetener,
Yes
No
They offer added mint/menthol in,
Light
medium
heavy
There are 18 choices here. Some vendors offer even more, but let's stick with 18. How many possible combinations are there? I'll let you do the math. It's ok, I'll wait.
Now, do you really expect vendors to have that many variations for every flavor they carry bottled up, sitting around aging for two weeks before it can even be shipped? Seriously?
If you only want to buy premixed, ready made, off the shelf e-liquid with your only choice being the size of the bottle and possibly a couple of different nicotine levels, that's perfectly fine, but you won't find much to choose from.
If people weren't able to customize their e-liquid to what they like and what they need to get off cigarettes, most of us would still be smoking.
No, what I would expect is a nice little note in my package saying, Hi, CJ, we had to make your special order on the spot so please allow it to steep for a few days: here's some instructions for how to steep this particular juice. That's what I would expect.
And what I've noticed is the worst flavors seem to come from the exact vendors that you describe. Yes, they give you a lot of options, but unless you are an expert at creating juice yourself (and if you are, why wouldn't you just do it yourself), you don't know what the best mixture will be for that particular flavor. I've found the ones that offer all those options merely do the minimal required to create their juice--that is, mix the four elements together as determined by an e-juice calculator. I find the best juices are the ones that are experimented with, tested, retested and retested and then created and steeped in probably large batches (taking the bottle size out of the equation) for a consistent, original flavor, and the pg/vg/flavor ratio is already selected by an expert to produce the optimal flavor / vape production / throat hit for that particular creation.
If a juice is well thought out and is going to blow my mind away, the only real decision I would expect to make is what nic level it should have. (I know there are some who have problems with pg so of course there should be an option for vg juices, but that doesn't apply to me.)
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This ain't whiskey.
Ok, say a vendor offers nicotine levels in,
0ml
6mg
12mg
18mg
24mg
They offer PG/VG in,
70PG/30VG
50PG/50PG
30PG/70PG
100% VG
They offer bottle sizes in,
7.5ml
15ml
30ml
60ml
They offer sweetener,
Yes
No
They offer added mint/menthol in,
Light
medium
heavy
There are 18 choices here. Some vendors offer even more, but let's stick with 18. How many possible combinations are there? I'll let you do the math. It's ok, I'll wait.
Now, do you really expect vendors to have that many variations for every flavor they carry bottled up, sitting around aging for two weeks before it can even be shipped? Seriously?
If you only want to buy premixed, ready made, off the shelf e-liquid with your only choice being the size of the bottle and possibly a couple of different nicotine levels, that's perfectly fine, but you won't find much to choose from.
If people weren't able to customize their e-liquid to what they like and what they need to get off cigarettes, most of us would still be smoking.
600 choices.
I have to admit I always order a few new flavours at a time from each new vendor and when they arrive I am always tempted to try them straight away. However, I can sometimes restrain myself and put them aside for 5 minutes before trying them.
I haven't done any particularly advanced testing but I can say that the ones I wait for 5 minutes before trying haven't tasted noticeably better than the ones I tried straight away.
I hope this helps.
I haven't done any particularly advanced testing but I can say that the ones I wait for 5 minutes before trying haven't tasted noticeably better than the ones I tried straight away.
I hope this helps.
First off, I never indicated nor implied that you aren't intelligent. The point I was trying to make that just seemed to get lost in some way in translation is that MOST vendors that create juices to order have on their site that these juices need to be steeped, however the better terminology would be "Aged", also SIR, you had taken my analogy of how that works when I referenced making a pasta sauce, I was trying to point out that just because you put all the ingredients into the pot, it would not taste like it does after it has simmered, I would have thought that would have been a simple enough analogy to get the point across but apparently I was mistaken.
It's take a matter of minutes to read what is on the vendors site and see if they have make specific recommendations as to how to handle them, if they did not, well they shame on them, if they did and you just didn't bother to read what was there, then shame on you, it happens all the time.
In addition when I made my recommendation about research, I was not meaning to try an go for a degree in chemistry, a simple search on what is steeping and it will come up. If you don't wish to wait for a juice to steep, well that great, just find the ones that have a pre-mixed juice, this is not all that difficult to do.
I am also a consumer and I also make sure I pay attention to whatever vendors site's I go to and educate myself on what they have for advice etc.
As for your last comment, I totally disagree with it, it's not a matter of being cheap, it's a matter of giving more choices, if you wish to purchase a juice that could have been sitting on a shelf for a year, that's your choice, I like my juices made to order and I learned just like almost everyone else here, either by trial and error or by reading the vendors recommendations. Aging a juice is not in anyway jumping through hoops, you seem to want to make more of this then there actually is, I can fully understand wanting to buy and juice that you can vape right away and there are many that can be even if they are freshly made, there are others that do require aging, as with say a wine, whiskey etc. Just be aware of how you present these things.
Everyone has their preferences, again, it's a matter of doing a little checking, it does in no way require hours upon hours of research, just a few minutes of your time, after all it's you that is going to consume it and if you prefer pre-aged that's great, but don't think that just because it's pre-aged that is going to make it the best choice just as if it's created to order also doesn't guarantee that it's going to be to your liking. A little patience and a LITTLE time spent on getting familiar with a particular vendor goes a long way.
The big issue is that there are far too many people who don't read, comprehend or are just too darn lazy to check things out, the only one to blame at that point is you, but far too often these same people then blame the vendor which is out of line when it was them that didn't do what they should have for themselves!
So SIR with all that stated I wish you luck on finding the juices that you like that are ready made that you find enjoyable.
As with everything in this world, things are very subjective and not everyone is going to agree, you will find people that say aging juice isn't necessary, this is not true in a large amount of cases but other times it can be true. There is no one size fits all in this are just as in every other aspect of life and to expect this is something that just isn't in the realm of possibility.
OK, this is the THIRD time that you are insisting that vendors supply that information, so here are links to four of the vendors that I have used. Please show me where they supply that information. I'm linking directly to the Alien Vape Spearmint page particularly because that's the juice that corroded my tank and that tastes like CRAP. Please, do show me where they are supplying the information that, according to you, I'm not paying attention to (thus, according to you, making it MY fault that their juice is corrosive and tastes like crap, not their fault).
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I don't use those vendors, and if as I stated, if they don't provide the information you seek, go elsewhere, this is not rocket science, I always check the vendors information on their juices and if I don't see what i need to know I move on. I don't go to those vendors I spent many hours before looking for juice vendors that had info and juices I could enjoy. You seem to not want to accept the fact that I am speaking in general terms and not on YOUR specific vendors that you have visited, I don't have a crystal ball or had a keylogger program on your system to where you go and what you do! Geeez. If the information is not available as I had stated quite a bit, move on! I am not in anyway attacking YOU, must making logical and what should be obvious recommendations., You win, SIR, fight all you wish and don't take what was meant to be helpful advice to begin with. I am not hear to troll, control or dictate, I was trying to make what I would have thought would be logical and rational suggestions as to what to look for and if your not getting the information you need move on to a place you will get the information. Ok, again, I was speaking in general and providing insight of what many here have had to go through, if you wish to be contentious with the recommendations being provided and take them as a personal affront, well that again is on you. Sorry your taking it that way. This again is not rocket science! And btw, don't put word in my mouth, I never said you weren't paying attention, I was stating to look for the info and if it's not there move on! Which is what I am not doing from this thread, tired of beating my head against the wall.
Let's go over a few commonly repeated phrases:
1. New Vaper
2. Learning curve
3. Taste buds repairing themselves
4. Listen to the veteran vapers
5. Read the vendor's reviews
6. Look before you leap.
Everything the OP is complaining about can be explained or advice given on threads just in the past few months.
If you can find that vendor and juice right out of the chute from disposables, more power to you, but it's not likely going to happen. Your taste buds are going to go through some major changes, maybe as long as 8 months after you quit smoking. You're still trying to settle in with a nic level, PG/VG ratio, non-organic or organic, flavor shots, etc., etc. All of those can change the same exact flavor extract into something else. And what about your PV, your delivery device?
Wine is aged, beef is aged, cheese is aged............WHY? Figure out the answer and you'll know why people steep. If your vendor is customer conscious, they will say the juice needs to be steeped. People with half dead taste buds may think it's just great straight out of the mail. Mt. Baker hits that population, their juice tastes like what you expect it to taste like out of the bottle. Some of their crazier named juices may not, but they fill a need, and many stick with them. But dead taste buds or not, Mt. Bakers usually fits the bill 90% of the time.
Haven't you read anywhere in this forum about buying samples? If you want to blow your money on 30 ml bottles of crap, head on. Don't listen to veterans. Don't bother purchasing samples from the many vendors that offer them. It's YOUR money.
If you want to charge into this like a brain dead bull and not LISTEN to the advice people are giving you, you're going to make a lot of mistakes. This forum is full of people with YEARS of vaping under their belts. Instead of arguing, criticizing or justifying your mistakes and/or ignorance, EDUCATE yourself,
Seriously, dude, most of your posts are more whining and complaining than anything else
PS: For God's sake, put on your Big Boy pants, suck it up, Buttercup!
1. New Vaper
2. Learning curve
3. Taste buds repairing themselves
4. Listen to the veteran vapers
5. Read the vendor's reviews
6. Look before you leap.
Everything the OP is complaining about can be explained or advice given on threads just in the past few months.
If you can find that vendor and juice right out of the chute from disposables, more power to you, but it's not likely going to happen. Your taste buds are going to go through some major changes, maybe as long as 8 months after you quit smoking. You're still trying to settle in with a nic level, PG/VG ratio, non-organic or organic, flavor shots, etc., etc. All of those can change the same exact flavor extract into something else. And what about your PV, your delivery device?
Wine is aged, beef is aged, cheese is aged............WHY? Figure out the answer and you'll know why people steep. If your vendor is customer conscious, they will say the juice needs to be steeped. People with half dead taste buds may think it's just great straight out of the mail. Mt. Baker hits that population, their juice tastes like what you expect it to taste like out of the bottle. Some of their crazier named juices may not, but they fill a need, and many stick with them. But dead taste buds or not, Mt. Bakers usually fits the bill 90% of the time.
Haven't you read anywhere in this forum about buying samples? If you want to blow your money on 30 ml bottles of crap, head on. Don't listen to veterans. Don't bother purchasing samples from the many vendors that offer them. It's YOUR money.
If you want to charge into this like a brain dead bull and not LISTEN to the advice people are giving you, you're going to make a lot of mistakes. This forum is full of people with YEARS of vaping under their belts. Instead of arguing, criticizing or justifying your mistakes and/or ignorance, EDUCATE yourself,
Seriously, dude, most of your posts are more whining and complaining than anything else
PS: For God's sake, put on your Big Boy pants, suck it up, Buttercup!
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Okay it looks like wires crossed here. Don't get down about it Dusty I know you're just trying to help. CJ I know you, like me, are an inexperienced vaper. People like Dusty are offering up advice based on their experiences don't knock it. You seem really defensive and I don't know why.
Either way, a bit of chilling is required here. I suggest both Dusty and CJ steep for a couple of weeks at least, then resume the conversation.
Seriously, dude, most of your posts are more whining and complaining than anything else
NiNi you are psychic, see my post below lol.
Well then what is your POINT? I'm not YOU. Neither are the other people who are shopping for juices. You kept saying that vendors supply that information, I proved the ones I have used don't, your answer is, well, you don't use those vendors. Well good for you. You've made some ok suggestions but you make them as if they are gospel and you also seem to think the consumer has way more responsibility than the vendor has. You started this exchange by objecting to the very subject matter of my thread and then you went on from there, so let me give you your own advice. If the thread doesn't supply the topic you are looking for, go elsewhere.
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Let's go over a few commonly repeated phrases:
1. New Vaper
2. Learning curve
3. Taste buds repairing themselves
4. Listen to the veteran vapers
5. Read the vendor's reviews
6. Look before you leap.
Everything the OP is complaining about can be explained or advice given on threads just in the past few months.
If you can find that vendor and juice right out of the chute from disposables, more power to you, but it's not likely going to happen. Your taste buds are going to go through some major changes, maybe as long as 8 months after you quit smoking. You're still trying to settle in with a nic level, PG/VG ratio, non-organic or organic, flavor shots, etc., etc. All of those can change the same exact flavor extract into something else. And what about your PV, your delivery device?
Wine is aged, beef is aged, cheese is aged............WHY? Figure out the answer and you'll know why people steep. If your vendor is customer conscious, they will say the juice needs to be steeped. People with half dead taste buds may think it's just great straight out of the mail. Mt. Baker hits that population, their juice tastes like what you expect it to taste like out of the bottle. Some of their crazier named juices may not, but they fill a need, and many stick with them. But dead taste buds or not, Mt. Bakers usually fits the bill 90% of the time.
Haven't you read anywhere in this forum about buying samples? If you want to blow your money on 30 ml bottles of crap, head on. Don't listen to veterans. Don't bother purchasing samples from the many vendors that offer them. It's YOUR money.
If you want to charge into this like a brain dead bull and not LISTEN to the advice people are giving you, you're going to make a lot of mistakes. This forum is full of people with YEARS of vaping under their belts. Instead of arguing, criticizing or justifying your mistakes and/or ignorance, EDUCATE yourself,
Seriously, dude, most of your posts are more whining and complaining than anything else
PS: For God's sake, put on your Big Boy pants, suck it up, Buttercup!
I haven't seen him give me any advice about how to steep. When he does, I'll take his advice seriously.
How To Steep Fresh Juice for the Best Flavor - YouTube
Most vapers tend to do this. I use to, but have become too lazy. I shake it for about 5 seconds every time before I sample it.
The leaving the cap off lets the built up perfumy smell and taste escape the bottle, letting the juice breath, as you will.
Most vapers tend to do this. I use to, but have become too lazy. I shake it for about 5 seconds every time before I sample it.
The leaving the cap off lets the built up perfumy smell and taste escape the bottle, letting the juice breath, as you will.
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Thanks, but as I stated, I am done with the thread, I was actually trying to offer some advise and references of what I had gone through when I first started, I had to learn on my own and researched and I do have a solid background dealing with essential oils, lotions, etc, etc, and juices I also make my own. As they say "You can lead a horse to water, but can't make him drink" no amount of advice, recommendations are going to do any good when you are met with disdain and reluctance to take some constructive advise. I don't have the inclination of spitting in the wind in this thread any further. Things are the way they are and if you can't accept it, well, what can you do.
It's not your advice that offends me, it's your tone, buddy. So please, give it a rest already and let the rest of us talk about steeping without the self proclaimed GOD of vaping beating our wrists with a ruler.
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