Tobacco Absolute - A Flavor All By Itself.
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I picked up some Nicotaina Rustica from Samara and think I may have botched it. I tried diluting to 20% in PG (only). Should have read this thread first! Brought temp to around 120F and it turned liquid. Also brought PG to same temp, then combined and shook like crazy. However, once it cooled, I had huge amounts of sediment at the bottom and along the sides of the bottle. Tried 4-5x heating to around 120F, shaking - not much improvement. Then, out of desperation, I tried heated ultrasonic cleaner for 30 minutes. Slightly better, but not much.
So, I picked up some EverClear (190 proof) and took half the TA/PG and diluted that 50/50 with EverClear. So, should be 45% PG, 45% Everclear and 10% TA now. No more sediment on the sides but large amount of un-dissolved sediment on the bottom.
I wonder if I need to re-order and start over. I would think that the TA should mostly/completely dissolve regardless of the fact that I added the PGA as a second step. I assume this is a solution, not a chemical reaction.
I'll keep trying but am concerned. I've done a lot of heating and shaking so far and there is still a LOT of (fine) sediment at the bottom.
So, I picked up some EverClear (190 proof) and took half the TA/PG and diluted that 50/50 with EverClear. So, should be 45% PG, 45% Everclear and 10% TA now. No more sediment on the sides but large amount of un-dissolved sediment on the bottom.
I wonder if I need to re-order and start over. I would think that the TA should mostly/completely dissolve regardless of the fact that I added the PGA as a second step. I assume this is a solution, not a chemical reaction.
I'll keep trying but am concerned. I've done a lot of heating and shaking so far and there is still a LOT of (fine) sediment at the bottom.
Sounds like you got it mixed just right, fog...lol.
Go back a few pages and you'll hear descriptions like Black Mix, Pond Scum, & Old Aquarium. I'm no TA Rustica expert, but after almost 3 months on the shelf, and lots of random shaking, and even a buzz with a frother, mine still looked like that.
Just the other day, I decided to pour mine through a coffee filter, to get the big chunks out.
The taste doesn't seem to have suffered, and I did my coils a favor.
Give yours a taste, and see what you think.
Go back a few pages and you'll hear descriptions like Black Mix, Pond Scum, & Old Aquarium. I'm no TA Rustica expert, but after almost 3 months on the shelf, and lots of random shaking, and even a buzz with a frother, mine still looked like that.
Just the other day, I decided to pour mine through a coffee filter, to get the big chunks out.
The taste doesn't seem to have suffered, and I did my coils a favor.
Give yours a taste, and see what you think.
That's actually exactly correct. You now have a 10% solution in 50% PG and 50% PGA that will look kinda like pond skum with tiny little particals in it. That's actually a good suggestion given above to run it through a filter like you do with Nets. If you warm it first to lets say 120F - 130F it will go through the filter much faster then if it were cold. I'll have to try that next time I mix some.
Use it at 2 - 5% in your mix. I use it at 2% in my mixes.
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Or just leave it alone and give it about 3 seconds in the microwave and a quick shake before mixing. I diluted mine with pg and it separates back out big time but doesn't give me any problems in using it. If I use it in my Kayfun, I'll notice a few specks on the tank wall, but no change in flavor.
Thanks everyone for the feedback and tips. Wish it was cleaner but sounds like that's as good as it gets for Rustica from Samara. I also got 2ml of Tabacum from Eden Botanicals. Instead of PG/PGA, I mixed it 1 TA : 3 PGA. It is very dark but almost totally clear. No sediment at all, just a small dark ring on the bottle just above the top. I surmise this has nothing to do with the fact that I used PGA only, but is the nature of extraction process.
On a side note, I recall several comments in this thread about "dung". I happen to be looking at the Samara product page for their Tobacco Absolute and quote: "Drydown is cigar-like with slightly fruity animal dung notes." I wonder if we could mimic the Rustica taste using separate components. I think you could, assuming you have a pet who like apples and peaches.
On a side note, I recall several comments in this thread about "dung". I happen to be looking at the Samara product page for their Tobacco Absolute and quote: "Drydown is cigar-like with slightly fruity animal dung notes." I wonder if we could mimic the Rustica taste using separate components. I think you could, assuming you have a pet who like apples and peaches.
100% PGA will always desolve TA better then a 50/50 solution. Most don't like the alcohol after taste but if it don't bother you it's perfectly fine to mix it that way. The rustica is not as refined as most virginia or Nicotiana tabacum (Another name for virginia) so the rustica will always be more cloudy with more particals in it when diluted. But rustica will always have a sweeter top note where as the virginia tends to be more on the ashy side. Another alternative is MMWTA's TA which is an in between TA that's not as sweet as rustica but not as ashy as virginia. This mixes pretty clean. I did a pretty in depth review on it that you'll find on there product page.
MMWTA :: Absolute TA Tobacco Absolute
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I have Red USA, love it by itself. Tried mixing DROPS of DNB in it, and besides masking the USA Red, it made it taste like old gasoline.
Hey, I re-read that you are using INW USA Red, I'm sorry I was thinking of Hangsen. Anyway, I use the Hangsen Red @ %5. Worth a try, it's a "can't go wrong" flavoring. Goes great with menthol as well.
Hangsen USA red is ashy in itself and adding DNB will make it ashier to the point of bad harshness. Adding to much will blow the top of your head off. I would start real low and work up until it's ashy enough. Although steeping is recommended you don't need to steep, you'll notice a difference right away.
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Unlike rustica the inawera TA's are already mixed and ready to use. There decent at 3 - 5% but I like a lot of strong tobacco taste in my vapes so start low and work up. Although steeping is recommended you don't need to steep, you'll notice a difference right away.
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Is it normal for the INW Garuda to be pretty light colored? I have it and the Virginia , which is dark brown in original bottles. Mixed both about 2 % and the garuda is clear, very little taste, at all. Seems very weak compared to the vta.
The Ina Garuda I have is honey colored and strong enough for me at 3 percent stand a lone, the same as most of my Ina flavors. Sounds like it may not be a good bottle. Bummer.
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