Tobacco surcharge may be applied to ecigarettes
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There is an article on Huffington Post today, written by a Dr. Amy Fairchild, which is positive on vaping.
Exactly. That is where we need to go. It should be considered a cessation aid. Even though some people will vape for a long period of time. I have a friend that has been chewing nicorette for 12 years. Better than analogs! Maybe we will move to Tenessee..... Illinois is trying to push thru a bill to BAN all eliquid (See CASSAA legislation). These idiots up here will pass it. 99 pennies short of a dollar they are!
They easily could stop pre-assembled hardware if they wanted, but doubt they will.
The weak link has always been the eliquid and will remain so. They could tightly control nicotine so that it is only available in sealed "old-school" carts in 2mg and 4mg levels. That would effectively kill the vaping environment as we know it.
The ANTZ's have money on their side and a strong ideology. Vapers don't have loads of money and more importantly, from an ideology standpoint, it appears that few vapers really care enough to get involved.
I am a member. I joined two days into vaping. Already slammed the Illinois politicians with emails and I won't give up. They want to ban ALL eliquid in Illinois. Idiots. 91 days and counting....yay
True. Then the tobacco surcharge will hit alot of us. I read alot of company policies as to what they consider a tobacco product. The majority of them will allow the FDA approved products (Gum, patch- which don't work for me) but the company I work for allows none of those. And if you lie you are fired! Two companies actually allowed ecigs! I am confused now. I think we are between a rock and a hard place. I'll keep reading and fighting and donating.
Your biggest problem at this time is extracted juices from tobacco for flavors that some supplyers do
That definatly is a tobacco product
If they choose to recognize that instead of all the desert or candy flavors look for more govt control and bad news for vapors
If they decide its a medical device you also will have govt control
So its better for us if they dont recognize it at all
That definatly is a tobacco product
If they choose to recognize that instead of all the desert or candy flavors look for more govt control and bad news for vapors
If they decide its a medical device you also will have govt control
So its better for us if they dont recognize it at all
I am a member. It is my job that is charging me all this money because they consider ecigs a tobacco product. They make the rules. They don't even allow nic gum. In their eyes I am a smoker.
Tax's are coming don't try to fool your selfs! the Government has to make a profit off everything or they will make it illegal
anything I buy from a Canadian Supplier I'm Taxed 13% HST thats the going rate here in Ontario
anything I buy from a Canadian Supplier I'm Taxed 13% HST thats the going rate here in Ontario
Good old Long Island...I wrote to complain. (Wantagh-Bellmore is my old turf)
Nutrition Supplements are not regulated. It would be the wise thing to place e-cigs in with these but of course that will never happen.
Small surprise when you think about it. They lose a lot of money for every smoker that quits. Last I heard, it costs less than 1.50 to get a pack of cigarettes created, yet you are paying upwards of 5 dollars for each pack. All that is tax.
A couple of decades ago, when the tax actually hit, it was justified by saying that the tax would pay for the additional healthcare costs associated with smoking. Essentially, you were putting a down payment on your chemo-therapy. It made sense: Pay while you were healthy. However, while smokers agreed to this, the fact of the matter is that less than three percent of those taxes actually goes towards covering that. The rest is used for whatever the state wants to use it for. Hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars, for absolutely nothing.
You think the mayors, senators, and governors want to give that up without a fight? Heck, no!
You think that insurers want to lose the increase in your premium? Nope!
You think that Big Pharm wants to lose your business? Absolutely not!
In fact, all three groups will arguably benefit from you staying addicted to nicotine. So they will continuously try to keep it under their thumbs. But when you can make your own juice, there isn't much they can do.
A couple of decades ago, when the tax actually hit, it was justified by saying that the tax would pay for the additional healthcare costs associated with smoking. Essentially, you were putting a down payment on your chemo-therapy. It made sense: Pay while you were healthy. However, while smokers agreed to this, the fact of the matter is that less than three percent of those taxes actually goes towards covering that. The rest is used for whatever the state wants to use it for. Hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars, for absolutely nothing.
You think the mayors, senators, and governors want to give that up without a fight? Heck, no!
You think that insurers want to lose the increase in your premium? Nope!
You think that Big Pharm wants to lose your business? Absolutely not!
In fact, all three groups will arguably benefit from you staying addicted to nicotine. So they will continuously try to keep it under their thumbs. But when you can make your own juice, there isn't much they can do.
It's sad a company would charge someone more against somebody using NRT. What kind of message does that send, really? "We don't care if you smoke".
If e-cigs are a smoking cessation aid, then the FDA should regulate them technically.
It's all about the sin tax that every state is losing out on so they are going to try everything that they can to try to classify juice as a tobacco product.
It's all about $$...
NY has a tax of $4.35 per pack.. Making most packs of cigarettes $9+ they preach on and on about "quit smoking" and spend millions on stop smoking adds... Why? Because they know that most of the "approved" stuff like gum and patches have a 90% failure rate, so they keep making their previous tax money, and the pharma's and insurance keep making their money... Then here come vaping.. Something that really does work, it helps people quit smoking like they claim they want.. At the cost of their $$...
I learned a long time ago if the government can't control it, regulate it, and tax it, they outlaw it.
NY has a tax of $4.35 per pack.. Making most packs of cigarettes $9+ they preach on and on about "quit smoking" and spend millions on stop smoking adds... Why? Because they know that most of the "approved" stuff like gum and patches have a 90% failure rate, so they keep making their previous tax money, and the pharma's and insurance keep making their money... Then here come vaping.. Something that really does work, it helps people quit smoking like they claim they want.. At the cost of their $$...
I learned a long time ago if the government can't control it, regulate it, and tax it, they outlaw it.
Tobacco is a win/win for the various governments. They tax and vilify the smoker. This state has $3.18 per pack in specific and direct tax (Federal, state, state sales tax on the tax!). Add in various taxes such as real estate tax paid by the farmer up to income tax paid by the clerk in the store that sold you the coffin nails. A lot of money going into their coffers! If a smoker gets lung cancer (and listening to the media we all will!) then he/she dies fairly quickly and inexpensively (to the insurance companies). If everyone could stop, then think of the Social Security system when we all start living into our nineties, needing dialysis/kidney transplants, joint replacement, etc. Tobacco's sin tax is keeping the system going practically on its own..
I would agree with those who say that something is definitely going to happen. The question is, will it be taxes, bans or regulation.
I am active in the fight but I am thinking about what I am going to do when it happens, which is probably quit vaping and not go back to smoking. Our best bet is to try to convince non-vapers of the merits of what we do.
I suggested this before but there is that petition site for the White House that just needs 20K signatures and the President has to respond to it. However, I don't think anything we do will really make a difference. When the "what about the kids" argument comes out, there is no good response to it and it doesn't matter how logical your argument or what you believe the politicians/FDA's motivations are; a small group of people, the minority are going to get their way.
I am active in the fight but I am thinking about what I am going to do when it happens, which is probably quit vaping and not go back to smoking. Our best bet is to try to convince non-vapers of the merits of what we do.
I suggested this before but there is that petition site for the White House that just needs 20K signatures and the President has to respond to it. However, I don't think anything we do will really make a difference. When the "what about the kids" argument comes out, there is no good response to it and it doesn't matter how logical your argument or what you believe the politicians/FDA's motivations are; a small group of people, the minority are going to get their way.
They said this is what it would go for, that and for smoking cessation programs, but in the actual bill(s) there was a paragraph or two about these monies being placed into a general fund aka "we'll use it where we see fit".
Also note that smoking cessation programs could be construed to mean that major pharmacorps can apply for funds to "do research" to develop products, gum, patches, etc., and NEVER have to pay back the money despite raking in billions from their sale.
If you go to a search engine and type in - what is the [your country] tobacco tax used for - you might be surprised at what comes up and how much is actually spent on smoking cessation and smoking related health issues. Usually they're the last on the list and the percentage is very small with the largest portions going into the "General Fund" that some call a slush fund.
The tobacco tax is a lie - plain and simple. The only smoking cessation program is raising the tax so that citizens cannot afford it. Which may or may not be successful, however I see that it may be and this is why we've now got other sin (beer, wine, soda pop) and entertainment (hotels for instance) taxes - because tobacco cigarette revenue is way down.
In reality we need to stop letting them make excuses to live like royalty while treating us like serfs - and with our permission since we vote on these initiatives. Serfdom with feudal lords - it's where we're heading.
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Well, my situation may be a little different. I smoked for over 50 yrs. I am now 63. All I have to do is buy enough nicotine, VG and PG to last the rest of my life, say 20 more years. Right now, nicotine is cheap. For that matter so are PG and VG. I have not yet tried to mix my own juice, but it is not rocket science. I plan on stocking up on all the supplies and thumbing my nose at the government when the inevitable taxes or bans begin. Stealth vaping, vaping in my car or home, may become illegal, but the have to catch me at it. I can be very stealthy.
Now that is my plan, how about the rest of you?
Now that is my plan, how about the rest of you?
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