Here is that "work" argument again. You've got your priorities all mixed up.
Today 9/11/13 - On Point with Tom Ashbrook
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Here is that "work" argument again. You've got your priorities all mixed up.
Ah... available to stream already for those of you who missed it:
The Rise Of E-Cigarettes | On Point with Tom Ashbrook
... just click the play button above the show description.
The Rise Of E-Cigarettes | On Point with Tom Ashbrook
... just click the play button above the show description.
Posted a couple comments and listening now... did a major facepalm when i heard Glantz say they are less effective and don't promote quiting..umm ...????? I completely understand why he is not looked up to here with that logic :/ The more listen to him the harder it gets to listen to him..........
Depends on how they define tobacco use. The number of smokers did not start to go down again until the past few years. I think cigarette sales went down but was offset by increases in sales of roll your own and pipe tobacco used for rolling cigarettes.
I tried to post, but my account won't work for whatever reason. Probably a good thing.
Where would one find the data?
Scattered all over the place. The CDC has a bad habit of changing the name of their reports from year to year. So one time it might be under Smoking & Tobacco Use, Fast Facts (2011)
CDC - Fact Sheet - Fast Facts - Smoking & Tobacco Use
and another year under in a Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR) (2009)
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5935a3.htm
I have tried copying the title of one report and just changing the year in the title. For example, Vital Signs: Current Cigarette Smoking Among Adults Aged ≥18 Years --- United States, 2009 and changing the year to 2010. That takes you to a search results page where the closest match is
Surveillance for Certain Health Behaviors Among States and ...
CDC. Vital signs: current cigarette smoking among adults aged ≥18 years—United States, 2005–2010. MMWR 2011;60:1207–12. CDC. ...
The only trouble is that when you click the link you land on a report titled "Surveillance for Certain Health Behaviors Among States and Selected Local Areas — United States, 2010"
It makes searching for the numbers a challenge. The FTC used to be in charge of tracking tobacco sales, but now I think the FDA has that duty. Some of the market analysts publish statistics on tobacco sales every quarter. You can contact Bonnie.Herzog at wellsfargo.com and she will be glad to add you to her list.
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I just found this report: FTC Report Shows Big Decline in Cigarette Sales after 2009 Federal Cigarette Tax Increase, While Tob - Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids
Interestingly enough, it reports 2009 as being the lowest recorded ever. They credit the sales tax, but wasn't that also the same time the first eCigs took off?
Interestingly enough, it reports 2009 as being the lowest recorded ever. They credit the sales tax, but wasn't that also the same time the first eCigs took off?
They do like to hide the real numbers don't they.
Here's another that almost showed promised, but the links are blanks.
http://www.rjrt.com/taxpays.aspx
I would contact Bonnie at WF, but wouldn't know what to do with it. I'm math challenged. I just know a bargain when one see one, and these newscasters are no bargain
The patch and the gum came out in the 80's.
according to this article, the ecig in 2008. http://science-and-logic.tumblr.com...l-the-fda-crack-down-on-e-cigarettes-alternet
Tobacco sales drastically reduced in 2009. (And decreasing more and more every year as more and smokers switch to them, I would imagine)
according to this article, the ecig in 2008. http://science-and-logic.tumblr.com...l-the-fda-crack-down-on-e-cigarettes-alternet
Tobacco sales drastically reduced in 2009. (And decreasing more and more every year as more and smokers switch to them, I would imagine)
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I'm skeptical that the number of ecig users in 2009 was enough to make a difference. Hard to say though, I guess.
i do think they are starting to make a noticeable dent now. Of course, everyone is going to claim credit. Lol.
i do think they are starting to make a noticeable dent now. Of course, everyone is going to claim credit. Lol.
I was shocked by a lot of the newscast. Unfortunately, I still can't post. 
Kudos to the lady and to Dr. Seigel for putting the honest info out there.
As for Glantz... I hope now his sheep will rise out of his steady stream of manure, shake their heads in disgust and go wash off the filth.
He is not a very integral person is he.
The daughter needs support, not deadlines. I couldn't believe that nonsense! She is smoking less and less, it's dwindling, yet, because she has cut out 16 instead of 17 cigs out of 20, SO FAR, in her 30 day journey, they condemn her and eCigs both? Say what???!!
The guy who quits and fails, quits and fails.. Is typical of cold turkey syndrome. Except with cold turkey, people are right back to their 2 pad instead of gradually increasing. That dude obviously needs a separate & stronger mg setup for those stronger craving times.
After all these years, of hearing the Dr.s telling us to at least cut down on smoking, a self proclaimed expert like Glantz can come along and tell smokers they may as well smoke their brains out because even one cig a day is just as bad as 100 . Talk about the Manure being stacked higher than the Empire State Building.
According to Glantz, we should continue smoking, pay our taxes, and be good little boys and girls who stay home too ashamed to mingle and fight for our rights, so that his paycheck can remain undisturbed, minus a few bonuses now and then.
Where are all the Nicotine reports? Nicotine is not bad bad. Why are they saying its the devil again ? I don't get it.
If I could post, I would post these links
No adverse effects on blood and oxygen supply to the heart by electronic cigarette use
Discovery Health "How can nicotine be good for me?"
Eating nicotine-containing produce like peppers, tomatoes may lower Parkinson's risk - CBS News
New study finds no health concerns in e-cig vapor | American Council on Science and Health (ACSH).
And there's more.
I forgot the rest of what I wanted to yell about, you lucky bums.
Kudos to the lady and to Dr. Seigel for putting the honest info out there.
As for Glantz... I hope now his sheep will rise out of his steady stream of manure, shake their heads in disgust and go wash off the filth.
He is not a very integral person is he.
The daughter needs support, not deadlines. I couldn't believe that nonsense! She is smoking less and less, it's dwindling, yet, because she has cut out 16 instead of 17 cigs out of 20, SO FAR, in her 30 day journey, they condemn her and eCigs both? Say what???!!
The guy who quits and fails, quits and fails.. Is typical of cold turkey syndrome. Except with cold turkey, people are right back to their 2 pad instead of gradually increasing. That dude obviously needs a separate & stronger mg setup for those stronger craving times.
After all these years, of hearing the Dr.s telling us to at least cut down on smoking, a self proclaimed expert like Glantz can come along and tell smokers they may as well smoke their brains out because even one cig a day is just as bad as 100 . Talk about the Manure being stacked higher than the Empire State Building.
According to Glantz, we should continue smoking, pay our taxes, and be good little boys and girls who stay home too ashamed to mingle and fight for our rights, so that his paycheck can remain undisturbed, minus a few bonuses now and then.
Where are all the Nicotine reports? Nicotine is not bad bad. Why are they saying its the devil again ? I don't get it.
If I could post, I would post these links
No adverse effects on blood and oxygen supply to the heart by electronic cigarette use
Discovery Health "How can nicotine be good for me?"
Eating nicotine-containing produce like peppers, tomatoes may lower Parkinson's risk - CBS News
New study finds no health concerns in e-cig vapor | American Council on Science and Health (ACSH).
And there's more.
I forgot the rest of what I wanted to yell about, you lucky bums.
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who is the 1Brett1 d-bag that keeps asking for references and then dismisses them as people post them? it's like he is willfully ignoring every answer to questions he asks.
But it's a good thing in the fact that the facts are being posted. Bring it on Brett! You've just met your match. Go EKeller, Go!
. Oh gosh, and Todd and everyone who is setting the facts straight! I'm diving into the veggies right now. It seems that there is a lot of fearmongering going on there too. One report says we have to eat 20 lbs, while another says just 2 meals a week of red peppers(?) will cure Alzheimer's or Parkinson's or what have you.
With that said, I like the way this one article (omg, I know, but wait for it) from the Huffington Post breaks it down. I would love to see a graphic arts person do the same with eCigs. For instance, the visual graphic of 3 gallons vs 3mls in order to achieve even a fraction of the microscopic fear stuff. (Lol, I forget the names).
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/15/nicotine-in-vegetables_n_1597087.html#slide=1092660
I so wish there was a sticky filled only with the positive facts.
There probably is, but I'm too busy googling to find it lol
Elaine Keller is the President of CASAA, and a hero in my book.
And Stanton Glantz is a mass murderer by all reasonable definitions.
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The only reason some e-cig opponents posted comments on that radio show website was because Stan Glantz sent the following e-mail to his list of about 1,500 prohibitionists and other anti tobacco extremists.
-----Original Message-----
From: Glantz, Stanton A <glantz@MEDICINE.UCSF.EDU>
To: STANGLANTZ-L <STANGLANTZ-L@LISTSRV.UCSF.EDU>
Sent: Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:58 pm
Subject: Stan Glantz debates Mike Siegel (again) on ecigs on NPR
You can listen to the segment in the September 11, 2013 installment ofOn Point at The Rise Of E-Cigarettes | On Point with Tom Ashbrook.
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There was even a caller who tried to use ecigs to quit and failed.
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This message is posted on my blog at Stan Glantz debates Mike Siegel (again) on ecigs on NPR | Center for Tobacco Control Research and Education and posted to my Twitter feed @ProfGlantz
-----Original Message-----
From: Glantz, Stanton A <glantz@MEDICINE.UCSF.EDU>
To: STANGLANTZ-L <STANGLANTZ-L@LISTSRV.UCSF.EDU>
Sent: Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:58 pm
Subject: Stan Glantz debates Mike Siegel (again) on ecigs on NPR
You can listen to the segment in the September 11, 2013 installment ofOn Point at The Rise Of E-Cigarettes | On Point with Tom Ashbrook.
.
There was even a caller who tried to use ecigs to quit and failed.
.
This message is posted on my blog at Stan Glantz debates Mike Siegel (again) on ecigs on NPR | Center for Tobacco Control Research and Education and posted to my Twitter feed @ProfGlantz
So in spite of the Stanton Glantz email to his cyborgs, we are still beating the crap out of them in the comments.
No wonder they are so desperate.
They are fighting for their jobs, and we are fighting for our lives.
We should win as long as we don't skulk off to a dark corner and hide in shame.
No wonder they are so desperate.
They are fighting for their jobs, and we are fighting for our lives.
We should win as long as we don't skulk off to a dark corner and hide in shame.
Is there a post on this forum that links directly to a lot of the studies done? Lost a lot of my links when I redid my computer system.
As I figure with the crowd we are running into on that site it is almost best to link directly to the studies and use some quotes contained within them. Noticed 1Brett1 kept going to hyped up media stuff, had to stop responding to him .... my inner time bomb started ticking :/
As I figure with the crowd we are running into on that site it is almost best to link directly to the studies and use some quotes contained within them. Noticed 1Brett1 kept going to hyped up media stuff, had to stop responding to him .... my inner time bomb started ticking :/
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