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[alopezg1]

Hello

I am planning an upgrade and have been doing requisite saving, scheming etc etc . I get good preformance out of my setup
- a vision spinner 2 battery with a kangertech aero tank mega on top, which looks a bit ridiculous but does a good job- but sometimes
it drops down in vape quality. This is usually because i have forgotten to change the head or something like that. As soon a vape quality drops though i started getting twitchy and thinking impure thoughts about cigarettes I was thinking of upping the firepower somewhat just to make sure i am getting the best vape I can , so i have no excuses to relapse. I have been thinking that i want to get in to rebuildables. Partly because i am interested in them , and partly because I am a little concerned about certain legislative bodies interfering with vaping and ot being able to get hold of good equipment . I have also heard that dripping is brilliant, and that it is the best way to get maximum flavour , and flavour is important to me. So , it seems to me the best thing to do would be to get a Mechanical and some rda's and get stuck in. I have also heard that some vv/vw Mods are good for rebuildable atomisers as well. The sigelei 20w is good apparently and you can use low resistance coils , i have heard the same about the dna 30 . Which is better ? As far as mechanicals go , i have my eye on the Precise simplicity/plus 18650 size from super t. They have life time warranties apparently , so that would be a good investment , any other recomendations?

 

[blueGrassTubb]

I'd absolutely recommend a Sigelei 20W and a Kayfun.

As far as RDAs, I'd recommend an Igo-L with drilled out top cap for a beginner. When you get that down pat, move to the Igo-W with a drilled out top cap or a Halo top cap.

 

[alopezg1]

Thanks Bluegrass

what do you think the advantages are over something like the sigelei 20w and a mech MOD like the super-t precise smilpicity?

 

[blueGrassTubb]

Thanks Bluegrass

what do you think the advantages are over something like the sigelei 20w and a mech MOD like the super-t precise smilpicity?

A regulated MOD will give you a consistent vape from puff 1 until the battery will no longer fire (the MOD will tell you it's time to charge, and won't allow the battery to drain below 3.2v as a safety feature). I have and use both mechs and regulated MODs, but if I had to choose one, it'd be a regulated MOD (in my case my EPM VW-18490 v2). The Sigelei is a great MOD and will serve you well.

Mech MODs have their place too. They are simple and easy to use. But there are no safety features at all.

 

[Chelonian]

If you prefer a box style, then check out the MVP.

When the battery won't charge, it's done, but it's a good VV for the price

 

[blueGrassTubb]

If you prefer a box style, then check out the MVP.

When the battery won't charge, it's done, but it's a good VV for the price

+1

The MVP is a great starter VW MOD. A nice, clean DC signal from the battery and all the safety features of higher end MODs.

 

[ICantStandYous]

I would vouch for both the MVP and the Sigelei. I started with the MVP, then moved to the Sigelei. Both are great mods, especially the sigelei with the Sony VCT5. If it tells you anything, I just bought another MVP to have as a back up. I will say however, at times the MVP gives me a bit trouble with a few clearos not registering. but every clearo I have works with the sigelei.

 

[alopezg1]

Thanks guys. I don't think I want to get the MVP as I have heard they are not good for rebuildable atomisers. They also have low load limit if I am not mistaken- something like 1.2 I thought in order to get the maximum flavor and kick from your vape , a low resistance coil is necessary, or I suppose you could have a high resistance coil with high voltage ? I want to build my own coils from now on though so I can find what works for me and need something that lends itself to that

 

[blueGrassTubb]

Thanks guys. I don't think I want to get the MVP as I have heard they are not good for rebuildable atomisers. They also have low load limit if I am not mistaken- something like 1.2 I thought in order to get the maximum flavor and kick from your vape , a low resistance coil is necessary, or I suppose you could have a high resistance coil with high voltage ? I want to build my own coils from now on though so I can find what works for me and need something that lends itself to that

The low Ω crowd would have you believe that in order to get any enjoyment at all from vaping you need to roll sub-Ω coils and blow clouds such that a thunderstorm looks like it might erupt in your room. But that simply isn't true.

I wouldn't recommend you start with that anyways, and I'd recommend a mech for that work. The vast majority of my vaping is done with Kayfuns (a rebuildable tank atomizer) with a very simple single coil between 1.2Ω and 1.7Ω. I occasionally dip below 1Ω, but it's a novelty for me. And even if you wanted to go low with you regulated MOD, you can't get that low with a Sigelei. It will fire down to .65Ω, but the current is so low at 20W that it's not really worth it. You'll want a DNA30-type device to and then we're talking about a whole different ball game.

It would also probably be a mistake to try and have an all-in-one APV. There just isn't anything that can provide everything, and you'd end sacrificing one kind of vape or another. I'd get a Sigelei or an MVP (an MVP may be the better choice when using for an all day vape kind of deal unless you spring for the 18350 and/or 18500 tubes for it) and have a mech for any cloud blowing with sub-Ω coils you may want to engage in. You can get both an MVP and a mech for well under $100. And the Sigelei, all 3 tubes, and a mech for less than $150 if you don't mind ordering the Sigelei 20W from Fast Tech.

That said, the MVP would be a great choice and you can use RBAs without a problem as long as you stay above their limit (I've read that you can fire down to about .8Ω).

Of all of the vaping devices I've read about, the MVP is perhaps the most recommended, and for a reason.

 

[alopezg1]

Ok thanks Bluegrass it's just I am struggling a bit recently and really don't want to relapse and want to make sure I am getting the best vape possible to try and make that less of a possibility. I for some reason thought that RDA's needed to be run on low resistance coils for maximum nic hit and flavor , but I can't see how you couldn't get similar results from a slightly higher resistance coil with a larger voltage. Anyway I will look into the MVP , I know it is certainly a good option in terms of money as well. Thanks everyone

 

[Chelonian]

blugrass speaks wisdom with that post.

As a matter of fact, you seem to lose flavor once you dip below .4ohms.

 

[blueGrassTubb]

Ok thanks Bluegrass it's just I am struggling a bit recently and really don't want to relapse and want to make sure I am getting the best vape possible to try and make that less of a possibility. I for some reason thought that RDA's needed to be run on low resistance coils for maximum nic hit and flavor , but I can't see how you couldn't get similar results from a slightly higher resistance coil with a larger voltage. Anyway I will look into the MVP , I know it is certainly a good option in terms of money as well. Thanks everyone

You'll be hard pressed to find the exact vape you're looking for with your first device. It takes a bit of experimenting to see what you like. Vaping is a journey sometimes. You'll have to vape for a bot to find your preferences. SOme people relish in blowing monstrous clouds. Others like to maximize flavor. Others seek nothing but a scratchy throat hit. You'll need to see what you want, and discover the best way to get it.

Ask those with Kayfuns about maximum nic and flavor hits. Kayfuns are the standard for flavor with RBAs. There are others with similar designs that compete for that award (Taifun GT, Expromizer, Aqua), but they're all basically the same design. In order to get better than that, you'll have to go dripper (IMO).

I'd say an MVP with a Kayfun (or 3) with a 1.5ishΩ coil would be a very good starting place if you don't mind the steep learning curve. you'll get great vapor (though nothing that will win any competitions), fantastic flavor, and the nic hit is dependent on many things (like nic strength and the specific juice itself).

You'll soon come to the realization that vaping isn't smoking. You won't get the exact same things from it most of the time besides the nicotine. You'll need to discover what it is you do want and find the best way to get it for you.

 

[Chelonian]

Building coils, messing with mods, learning about the gear all helped me stop smoking.
Its excellent displacement activity.
For gear, the best advice i can give for the beginning is to go for the middle.
Too cheap wont deliver, or will need fiddling, and the knowledge needed to succesfully fiddle.
For example, if you go with clones, go with hcigar or infinite.
Buying something and not having it work is irritation that you dont need right now.
Hence the MVP or Segeili reccomendation.
The only the about Kayfun...its expensive. Well worth the money, but expensive.
Is there any kind of IGO kit that is based on the Kayfun?


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[alopezg1]

Ok Guys thanks for all the help

This will be my first MOD but not my first device btw. I started with an ego and I clear 16's and progressed to a vision spinner 2 with a kanger aero tech mega on top ( which looks a little ridiculous) I am thinking from all of this that I may go for the Sigelei and a decent RDA and maybe an RBA as well to see what suits best . I can get low enough on a sigelei to get a decent dripping experience if I understand correctly ( around the .8 to 1 ohms range) and this will be plenty low enough for a rba . It's also good value for money as well, it seems to me anyway. Thanks again

 

[Chelonian]

Be careful about the thinking that lower ohms = more vape on a regulated device.

Remember, a regulated devices will top out in watts - so if you lower the resistance, you will have to lower the voltage or will not fire.

There is a place for it - I like my Russian at .8 ohms or so at 2.9 volts.
BUT

I could get the same output by upping the voltage on a higher resistance coil, but that particular tank with the juices that I like performs better for me with the low resistance setup.

If you want to experience a more powerful vape, a DNA 30 mod would be the way to go in a regulated device.

However, .8 to 1 ohm isn't bad on the Segelei either...sorry to seem to be going back and forth on this. It's just that dripping and regulated don't go together for me, personally.
Doesn't mean that it's wrong though, it's just that I'm not the one that would tell you to do it that way

 

[blueGrassTubb]

Ok Guys thanks for all the help

This will be my first MOD but not my first device btw. I started with an ego and I clear 16's and progressed to a vision spinner 2 with a kanger aero tech mega on top ( which looks a little ridiculous) I am thinking from all of this that I may go for the Sigelei and a decent RDA and maybe an RBA as well to see what suits best . I can get low enough on a sigelei to get a decent dripping experience if I understand correctly ( around the .8 to 1 ohms range) and this will be plenty low enough for a rba . It's also good value for money as well, it seems to me anyway. Thanks again

.8Ω to 1Ω works brilliantly with a Sigelei. That is how I got started dripping, and I still keep many dripper setups in this range as I feel that's where the flavor is maximized.

I would recommend AGAINST a dripper for your first RBA. There is nothing inherently difficult about them, but navigating them in public can be a pain. You always need juice on you, and they can be messy until you learn a few tricks. I only drip out of the house at special events (live Vape meets or the like). All other forays out of the house are with Kayfuns.

The Sigelei is a great choice. It's a fine vaporizer that gets one dipping his toes in to the world of proper regulated vaping. If you're interested in how the menu navigation system works with the tilt functions, check out this video. It's very intuitive and easy to master.