Trends- no smoking becomes no tobacco

[trying]

This trend is different than the recent Kings county ban and more worrisome.

The University of Oregon has announced it will be tobacco free by 2012. U.O. will then join about 145 other universities with the same regulations. Add this to various similar local regulations and the Antis will have a road map for a new way to ban E-cigarettes.

If Vape'n does not violate no smoking bans, then they will lump E-cigarettes in with other tobacco products and ban all tobacco products.

 

[RollTheBones]

I saw this first hand where I work; there was an absurdly huge, in your face campaign complete with signs everywhere, announcements, emails, etc about how the entire campus was going to become smoke free.

It was barely months after this the whole thing started over again just to change "smoke" to "tobacco"

I still don't get it....if someone has a pack of cigs or tin of chew in a pocket are they going to get tackled to the ground or something?

 

[kristin]

I predict an increase of rampage shootings (or at least extreme rudeness) on campus caused by severe nic fits.

 

[Petrodus]

I predict an increase of rampage shootings (or at least extreme rudeness) on campus caused by severe nic fits.

"Severe Nic Fits" will someday be used as a legal defense

 

[kristin]

Even worse, the movement has actually become "anti-nicotine." (Unless it's sold by Big Pharma, of course.)

 

[Vocalek]

The trend has been going on for quite a while. First it was the web sites of government and the non-profit "health" organizations substituting "tobacco" for "smoking." Carl Phillips published an article on this in 2005. BioMed Central | Full text | You might as well smoke; the misleading and harmful public message about smokeless tobacco

"Smoking-related disease" magically turned into "tobacco-related disease" and the medical journals followed suit. The next place I saw this happening was on hospital campuses a couple of years ago. "Smoke-free zone" turned into "tobacco-free zone."

The next step is already happening. Now there are organizations that refuse to hire you if you use nicotine in any form -- even wearing an FDA-approved patch.

So the progression is

Smoking -> Tobacco -> Nicotine

I predict that some time in the near future you will see the phrase "nicotine-related disease" used to refer to diseases caused by smoking but not other sources of nicotine.

 

[BradSmith]

anti-nicotine would be the worse case. e-cigs are tobacco free, to vape and be nic free you would have to have zero nic liquid. I suppose a person could rebottle their juice into zero nic bottles and dare the to test them. (if they are big enough jerk you could suggest they drink it) just kidding that would probably be the end of e-cigs.

 

[BradSmith]

The trend has been going on for quite a while. First it was the web sites of government and the non-profit "health" organizations substituting "tobacco" for "smoking." Carl Phillips published an article on this in 2005. BioMed Central | Full text | You might as well smoke; the misleading and harmful public message about smokeless tobacco

"Smoking-related disease" magically turned into "tobacco-related disease" and the medical journals followed suit. The next place I saw this happening was on hospital campuses a couple of years ago. "Smoke-free zone" turned into "tobacco-free zone."

The next step is already happening. Now there are organizations that refuse to hire you if you use nicotine in any form -- even wearing an FDA-approved patch.

So the progression is

Smoking -> Tobacco -> Nicotine

I predict that some time in the near future you will see the phrase "nicotine-related disease" used to refer to diseases caused by smoking but not other sources of nicotine.

I'm afraid you are correct. The anti smokers have no intention of ever admitting that nic can in fact be good for some people.

 

[FreakyStylie]

I know that this is just an argumentative statement, but banning tobacco outright is not constitutional. If I want to use snus, for example, it will harm nobody around me. Using the same logic of banning all tobacco is the same as banning thoughts. It is idiocy.

I hate the world. Not necessarily the people in it, just the world structure because it is corrupt and run by idiots.

 

[Petrodus]

I predict that some time in the near future you will see the phrase "nicotine-related disease" used to refer to diseases caused by smoking but not other sources of nicotine.

I agree...Naturally, smoking and E-smoking both include the bad word "smoking".

The FDA lost the battle to ban E-cigs, however, they planted the seeds and the uninformed idiots (the vast majority) will just fertilize, cultivate, and bring the message to market. If it has anything to do with "nicotine"...ban it.

The FDA is "tickled" with the plan.

 

[atom48]

"Severe Nic Fits" will someday be used as a legal defense

Kinda like here, in Colorado, where a guy plea-bargained a deal yesterday that he had a car accident (hitting a bicyclist)because of the "new car smell" of his Mercedes. Hmmmm. Severe nic-fits would be much more plausible.

 

[Redbone]

Isn't nicotine in tomatoes and potatoes and other edible items? Will they be banning these food groups?

 

[Vocalek]

In actual fact when I quit smoking about 20 years ago by stepping down from 21 to 14 to 7 mg. patches and then going to no nicotine, I became quite ill. My concentration and visual memory were very impaired. I didn't realize it at first, but I was as impaired trying to drive a car without nicotine as someone who tries to drive a car while drunk.

Specifically, when making a left turn, I looked left, then right, then left again, as I had for decades, and then proceeded to turn. The sound of screeching brakes and loud horn-blowing nearly made my heart stop. I could swear that when I looked right, there was no car coming, but there was, and we nearly had a nasty accident.

When it happened the second time, I couldn't put it down to mere coincidence. The problems did not fully clear up until I went back to smoking after 6 months of anguish.

A few years ago I was tested and found to have measurable attention deficit disorder. This is a disorder that I did not have as a child nor for most of my adult life when I was a regular smoker. At the time of the testing I was down to 10 cigarettes a day, augmented by 4 to 5 pieces of nicotine gum.

 

[Petrodus]

Isn't nicotine in tomatoes and potatoes and other edible items? Will they be banning these food groups?

Nicotine is not restricted to tobacco but is widespread. The tobacco plant, Nicotiana tabacum, belongs to the nightshade family, which also includes potatoes, tomatoes, eggplant and red peppers. All contain nicotine.

 

[Bill Godshall]

While anti-tobacco/nicotine extremists (whose goal is to eliminate all tobacco/nicotine users, products and companies) now control many health organizations and public health agencies, the public is becoming increasingly aware of and opposed to their extremist policies, and the pendulum is now swinging the other way (thanks largely to e-cigarettes, e-cigarette consumer advocates, and the successful e-cigarette litigation against the FDA).

 

[trying]

Isn't nicotine in tomatoes and potatoes and other edible items? Will they be banning these food groups?

The nicotine amounts in those types of plants are in the nanogram range or 1/1,000th of a milligram.
So while potatoes and such do contain nicotine it is an insignificant amount.

 

[trying]

I know that this is just an argumentative statement, but banning tobacco outright is not constitutional. If I want to use snus, for example, it will harm nobody around me. Using the same logic of banning all tobacco is the same as banning thoughts. It is idiocy


The no tobacco regulations get around that by saying they are banned only at that location and not everywhere.

 

[MoonRose]

Maybe it's time for us to become proactive instead of reactive towards all these new bans that are trying to be instituted against e-cig users. We need to get out there and make sure that not only those who make the laws but also our family's, friends and neighbors are all given the real truth about e-cigs. Let's start printing out the fact sheets and reports that CASSA has available on their site and pass those out to every person we meet.

 

[Petrodus]

Maybe it's time for us to become proactive instead of reactive towards all these new bans that are trying to be instituted against e-cig users.

Old Sayings are passed down from generation to generation
because they are TRUE and TIMELESS.

The Best Defense is a good Offense

 

[Crumpet]

The nicotine amounts in those types of plants are in the nanogram range or 1/1,000th of a milligram.
So while potatoes and such do contain nicotine it is an insignificant amount.

Believe me, if that amount was detected in 2nd hand vapor it would be considered a very significant amount.