Two piece e cigs? Need advice

[allen227]

I am doing as much research as I can to help my wife find the e cig that best fit her needs. She would rather not have to add her own liquid and worry about cleaning and much maintenance. We have seen quite a few 2 piece designs on the market and she actually tried one band out, Blue cig, and had a really bad experiment with the batteries. They completely quit working after just 12 days of use. Which is ok cause its within the 30 days so we will be getting a full refund. Unfortunately she is back to the analog stick till I can get to a store today to pick her up a disposable e cig. I started looking at the batteries and noticed they all seemed to be about the same at no higher than about 280 mAh. After poking around on this forum I noticed there are much stronger batteries out there. However they seem to be to be only on the type that you add your own liquid to. Wanting to stick to a 2 piece design where the atomizer and flaver carts are are one disposable piece, can any one give me some good advice as to what my best options are? Also I have seen the automatic batteries, which is what she actually tried, and the manual batteries. Could some one tell me the advantege and disadvantages to both types so we can try to make the best choice? One last thing, the Blu brand also came with a charging case for easy charging on the go. She liked that as well so if any of our options could come with this kind of handy accessory that would be a huge bonus.
Thank you-all in advance for any responses,
Allen

 

[sweetz]

If you go with an ego battery, you can find prefilled cartos out there with the 510 threading that will match. It would take a little looking, but it's possible!

 

[wfx]

yep. start with prefilled cartos. i wouldn't worry about the threading at the beginning. if you start with 808 or 510, it's easy to add an adapter. trick is just to get started and experiment with options to find the right one.

 

[wv2win]

Any battery, regardless of "threading" (510, 801, 808, 901, etc) can be a "two piece" (cartomizer) model. There are cartomizers in the three major threading types (510, 801, 808). 808 and 510 probalby have the largest selection of prefilled cartomizers. But even that is not a limitation. If you get a battery with 510 threading, just get a $3 510 to 808 adapter and you can use pre-filled 808 cartomizers. Here is the adapter: Adapters

But you would be wise to get away from the "mini" battery models such as Blu, and get a battery that at least has 650 mAh rating but 1000+ mAh rating would be better. This way she will get 5 - 6 hours on a charge and overall better performance. I would suggest you look at the E-Power 510 or the Kgo which both have 1000+ mAh rated batteries and then get the 510 to 808 adapter if she wants to stick with prefilled cartomizers initially. Here are several reputable suppliers:

e-Power

KGO 1100 mAh 2 battery kit

Crystal Clear Vaping

 

[leftfeild]

Could some one tell me the advantege and disadvantages to both types so we can try to make the best choice?

Depends on the user. Automatic batteries have a small risk of shorting out if you get liquid inside it, but you get a closer simulation of a cigarette in that you don't press a button to activate it. Manual batteries give you greater control on vapour production as it isn't reliant on how long you can suck through the mouthpiece for and wont short if you get juice on them as they are sealed on the top.

It sounds like you're looking for a kr808d-1 if you were alright with the way the blue worked. Try out:
Smokeless Image | Only The Best Electronic Cigarette | Starter Kits

G6 Basic Starter Kit - G6 E-Cig

E-Cigarette Starter Kits | Electronic Cigarette Kits | Electronic cigarette starter kits

These are all the same e-cig, just a different branding and therefore price. You can get the charging case from any of these as well, it's usually called a personal charging case or pcc for short. You can get prefilled cartomisers from any of these vendors as well.

These Kr808D-1 units are like an upgrade to the blue cigs without having to get something that's bigger like the ego or riva etc. For "cigarette sized" ecigs, I don't think there is better than these right now. If form is important (in that you want it to look like a cigarette) I highly recommend any of those vendor's kr808d-1 models.

You can get different mAh batteries from any of these vendors, they're by length:

102mm = 420 mAh
78mm = 320 mAh
65mm = 220 mAh

It will be cheaper to fill your own blank cartomisers which you can buy from the vendors up there but for now you could just as easily buy the prefilled cartomisers.

Hope that helps

 

[dormouse]

I also recommend V4L which is more like standard KR808D-1 but adds a custom 10-second cutoff so longer drags are possible (the other brands have a 5-second cutoff which is a bit short for manuals where you press the button in 1-2 seconds early to have nice vapor waiting). And do I recommend manual batteries. But although I recommend the V4L cartos for finding flavors/juices there that you like, I think the Bloogplanet and SmokelessImage cartomizers are a bit nicer and certainly cooler on the lips. The V4L cartos can get hot enough on the lips that you will need a plastic or delrin drip tip as a cool mouthpiece.

And unless you are rich I do not recommend trying to get by on just prefilled cartomizers. A prefilled cartomizer does NOT last as long as 1-2 packs of cigarettes. If you are lucky it will be like 10-12 cigarettes and then it will singe because if a cartomizer gets too low on juice they singe.

Those of us who use those models do not only use a carto for 10-12 smokes worth of vaping and then throw them out. We keep them damp with liquid and get 4-10 days use out of each. I use thin clear liquids and get 7-10 days use out of each cartomizer. But I strongly recommend manuals which are easier to drag, harder to kill with juice leaks.

 

[charady]

Starter Kits - Signature Series 808 This was my first online purchase. It is the 808 model others have talked about. They do offer a sealed automatic battery. And I have to suggest either pearberry or blueberry cream for his flavors, very yummy!

 

[rhuelu]

V4L is the way to go imo.

 

[allen227]

e-Power[/url]

KGO 1100 mAh 2 battery kit

Crystal Clear Vaping

I took a look at the KGO 1100 mAh batteries and searched to find out there size and what I came up with said it is 147 mm long. It wasn't very clear on the site so my question is is that including the cartomizer or just the battery? Here are the specs in the kit I found. I'd also like to know the diameter of this unit.
Tech Specs kGO 1100:
Length: 142mm
Singel E-Cigs weight: 46g
Capacity of battery: 1100 mAh
Full battery up to 900 puffs
Full cartridge up to 60 puffs
Charge time: 3-4 hours
Initial battery charge time 8 hours
Input AC 100-240V, output DC 3.7-4.5V, atomizer coil resistance is 2.6 Ω Working current, greater than 1.1 Amp

The 60 puffs for a full cartridges seem low to me seeing the Blu cig cartomizers lasted well over 150 puffs or 4 days for might wife. Does the cartomizers get used up lot faster with these larger batteries?
I m still a bit confused, sorry every one. Are the atomizers built into the cartomizers or do I have to buy those seperatly? Was hoping they were one piece. If they can be bought as one piece would I need a tip or could one be added if it were wanted?

 

[brandontrjn]

For beginning vapers, if she liked the Blu you should try vapeshot.com. They have a charge case that has a better LCD indicator. I'v had mine for 2 months and haven't had a problem with them.

I'm in the minority here, liking auto batteries. I haven't had any issues with autos and you most likely won't either.

You can get the vapeshot starter kit for around $55 or $60 with a discount code which is less than the Blu too.

V4L (like Dormouse said) is good too but their charge case isn't like a pack of analog cigs, it's a flip type wallet case thing (don't really know how to describe it).

Edit: V4L's charge case is kinda like an allumawallet that's a good description

 

[dogsofwar]

Does it have to be a ciggie look-a-like? The SD Keyring is getting good reviews atm.

 

[wfx]

I'm in the minority here, liking auto batteries. I haven't had any issues with autos and you most likely won't either.

same here. although i'm not sure it's a very small minority. plenty of good autos out there now. maybe it's a recent advent. the original mini 510 autos were awful for sure. but even the sd keyring has some manual aficianados' attention.

 

[DaveP]

We all thought we wanted a slim ecig until we found ourselves burning a trail back and forth to the charger every hour to an hour and a half. You can calculate battery life at 100mah per hour of vaping time on a charge, more or less, depending on how often you hit it and how long you hold the button down.

An eGo battery is 650mah up to 1300mah and is about the diameter of a sharpie marker. Length grows with the mah rating.

Manual batteries are the staple of seasoned vapers. We don't even think about pressing the button. It's just a trained maneuver and we would find it odd not to have to press to take a hit.

 

[wv2win]

We all thought we wanted a slim ecig until we found ourselves burning a trail back and forth to the charger every hour to an hour and a half. You can calculate battery life at 100mah per hour of vaping time on a charge, more or less, depending on how often you hit it and how long you hold the button down.

An eGo battery is 650mah up to 1300mah and is about the diameter of a sharpie marker. Length grows with the mah rating.

Manual batteries are the staple of seasoned vapers. We don't even think about pressing the button. It's just a trained maneuver and we would find it odd not to have to press to take a hit.

I agree with Dave except the 100 mAh = an hour of vaping is really an hour of LIGHT vaping. And the last half of the battery charge is not nearly as good as the first half.

If your wife really wants to transition off of cigs and to vaping, all you have to do is see what the VAST majority of veterens on this and other sites use. It's definitely NOT a cig look-a-like model.

The Kgo, Riva, E-Power are all the size of a sharpie pen. And 95% of us all use manual batteries because there is no cut-off, better personal control, warmer vapor like the real thing and safer from being killed by liquid leaks.

 

[allen227]

I believe we will probably go with the kr808d type from v4l. They offer a 900 mAh battery, although I may go with the 650 mAh due to the lenght. There site doesn't give those specs so I am a bit unsure how long they are.I'm not sure if I will be able to find a carrying case for the longest ones and l am almost certain I will not find a pcc for them. If anyone knows the lengths and weather I will be able to get any sort of cases I would appreciate it. Also I found these batteries from echo, can any one tell me if they will be compatible with the prefilled cartomi
zers v4l has? They look larger in diameter and not sure how they would work together?
Echo replacement battery (automatic) 808D threads - $12.95

 

[SirVette]

...
The 60 puffs for a full cartridges seem low to me seeing the Blu cig cartomizers lasted well over 150 puffs or 4 days for might wife. ...

For battery size you can say how many cigs./day. The above does not sound like many.
PS Or how many batteries a day w/ Blu?

 

[suzyslegs]

I quit with little fuss with V2 - however - once I quit and became less anxious and picky about the prospects of refilling and the ecig looking and feeling just like an analog - I moved on to the larger battery types and in fact have a beautiful inlaid wood box mod from Mom and Pop Vapor Shop and when I tasted some of their flavors I wanted torefill my own. But like your wife I started with a deep desire NOT to have to refill myself. I will go back to my V2's every once in a while - and they still work and work fine - in fact I can refill the carts that came prefilled when I first got them. It's a process. So be prepared that her equipment requirements will change as she becomes more comfortable with vaping and is no longer a slave to analog cigs.

 

[allen227]

For battery size you can say how many cigs./day. The above does not sound like many.
PS Or how many batteries a day w/ Blu?

They lasted a day at first, then they got less and less till the quit all together and no longer took a charge. She had them only 12days.
she was a pack a day smoker and the cartomizers were 16 or 18 mg in strength. When at home the thing was always in her hand.

 

[allen227]

These kits are not very inexpensive compared to the cost of 1 month of smoking analogs. I expect her to evolve into something different. It seems like for now the 808 will give her the simplicity for now and still the ability to experiment with filling her own cartos when she is ready and if she can get some kind of carrying case for the 900 mAh batteries that ought to give her plenty of time between charges. Just wish I knew there dimensions so I could find accessories. Also saw a 1100 mAh and 1300 mAh battery from echo http://www.nwvapors.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3&products_id=131 but not sure if it is compatible with the v4l cartomizers, it looks to large in diameter to me but I am a noob.

 

[hokoyz]

Try totally wicked kits - it's tank system, when the atomizer is done, but the cartomizer that they sell.
watch their tutorial

TornadoTank E-NIC Compact Starter Kit