UK Government: "E-Cigarettes Are Safer But We Will Ban Them Anyway..."

[jpargana]

It's not just about the revenues, although I'm sure that's a major part of it. It's also about the fact that nothing so needs reforming or regulating as OTHER PEOPLE'S HABITS. We saw that with Prohibition, and we all know how well that worked out.

Yes... sadly, there are people who have lost the simple courtesy of minding their own damn business...
"For the children...!"

 

[Anjaffm]

I haven't found any news articles- actual news articles, not blog posts, saying the UK is going to ban e-nic. Seems they may be included in the smoking ban in public places, but no outright ban.

Dear, they are not saying "ban". They are saying "regulate as medicines". Which amounts to a de-facto ban, because it would take all the current e-cigs and especially all the current e-liquids off the market.

The only e-cigs and liquids that could (legally) be sold under such a "regulation" would be products for which their producers had paid huge amounts of money to go through government regulation and get approval as "medicines".
Only Big Pharma and Big tobacco have the money to afford such "regulation". Oh, and each (!) liquid would have to get separate approval, e.g. Vanilla in 6 mg, Vanilla in 12 mg .... tobacco Vanilla in 6 mg.. Tobacco Vanilla in 12 mg.. etc etc.
One UK e-cig company counted up what it would cost to get all their current products regulated as medicines and arrived at several billion (not million, but billion) British Pounds.
Such regulation would be the death of the free e-cig market, a big huge money maker for the British government and the joy of Big Pharma and Big Tobacco - as the competition would be dead. Conveniently destroyed by the government. And they would be handed the e-cig market on a silver platter. To gain a practical monopoly. And we all know just how well monopolies work out for the consumer.

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disclaimer:
Yes, yes, I know that experienced long-term vapers can mix their own liquids and will - in all probability - have their "sources".
But the e-cig would be dead for any current smoker willing to switch. Which is precisely what Big Pharma and Big Tobacco would love.
And their dear friends and buddies at the UK government would love to do them - and their own coffers and purses - that little favor.

It is important to realize that Big Government, Big Pharma and Big Tobacco all profit nicely from this vicious circle:
smoke tobacco and pay high taxes... try to quit with costly and nearly useless NRT's ... fail ... smoke tobacco and pay high taxes... try to .... - rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat... die.
The only one who does not profit from this wonderful money-making circle is the smoker. The person. The human being.
But who cares about those anyway?

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Just adding to the explanation by jpargana:

You can find the link at the end of the blog article

w w w .telegraph. co. uk/health/dietandfitness/10376090/E-cigarettes-all-you-need-to-know.html


From that article:

"However, there is a problem with quality control – which is why the MHRA wants to see e-cigarettes regulated as medicine. This should come into effect in 2016, although without a Europe-wide initiative the UK may act unilaterally."

And also:

"This is precisely why they need regulating as medicines, so that they are not sold to under-18s or targeted at non-smokers"

(BS, BTW: tobacco cigarettes are not medicines, and there are already laws to prevent it's sale to under-aged people)

Well, back to topic: regulating (irrationally) the e-cig as medicines is actually a ban, for all practical purposes... that was, I believe, our battle when we fought back the EU initiative earlier...

Yes, that is precisely the part of the EU Tobacco Regulation that we have been fighting so vigorously.

 

[Vicshalls]

i love gate way to youth smoking. I am not sure about any of you on here, but i am pretty sure i started smoking at the youthful age of 12. Most people i know did not pick up a cigarette at the age of 60 and say i want to start smoking now. Most of us started at a young age. So why on earth would vaping be any diffrent? Still today they talk about how kids smoke and of course how it is bad for them. They took away the ads on tv and magazines yet kids still smoke. It may have slowed it down some but it did not stop it. The only ad on anything i see is for the blu cig and it is telling us to take our freedom back. I think we need to take our freedom back not only with smoking but with many other things our "free" government is taking away little by little as we sit back and let them. NY wanted to lower the size of sodas we could purchase cause soda is bad for us. Now they are changing the information tags on food with hopes that the manufactuors of said food will start to make them healthier. It seems to me the government is steady trying to tell us that we as a free people do not know how to be free and live our lives the way we see fit. You have on one hand people wanting us to be healthier so we can live longer and not cause a hardship on the medical community with our cancer and diabetes. then you have the other side of the coin making eveyone get health insurance so they can now tell you how you will be treated. keep in mind there are some good things about our new health care laws, but the bad things that no one sees is that if you are a healthy person but you are of an older age you no longer qualify for certain procedures to be done. Now things will be based on age cause insurance does not want to flip the bill to give you a new heart at 70. Give it time people the USA as we once knew it will be a communist country with the government telling us who will do what in life. I only hope by then not to be a part of this world.

 

[Vaslovik]

Yes... sadly, there are people who have lost the simple courtesy of minding their own damn business...
"For the children...!"

People will only mind their own business while it is worth minding. When it isn't they will mind your business. This minding of your business most often takes the form of *concern* about your health and moral well-being, and they will go to great lengths to impose upon you their own views and beliefs about what's best for you in these areas of your life. Not because they want you to be healthy and happy, but because they desperately crave power over you, and everyone else they can bring to heel.

 

[jpargana]

Dear, they are not saying "ban". They are saying "regulate as medicines". Which amounts to a de-facto ban, because it would take all the current e-cigs and especially all the current e-liquids off the market.

The only e-cigs and liquids that could (legally) be sold under such a "regulation" would be products for which their producers had paid huge amounts of money to go through government regulation and get approval as "medicines".
Only Big Pharma and Big Tobacco have the money to afford such "regulation". Oh, and each (!) liquid would have to get separate approval, e.g. Vanilla in 6 mg, Vanilla in 12 mg .... Tobacco Vanilla in 6 mg.. Tobacco Vanilla in 12 mg.. etc etc.
One UK e-cig company counted up what it would cost to get all their current products regulated as medicines and arrived at several billion (not million, but billion) British Pounds.
Such regulation would be the death of the free e-cig market, a big huge money maker for the British government and the joy of Big Pharma and Big Tobacco - as the competition would be dead. Conveniently destroyed by the government. And they would be handed the e-cig market on a silver platter. To gain a practical monopoly. And we all know just how well monopolies work out for the consumer.

.........
disclaimer:
Yes, yes, I know that experienced long-term vapers can mix their own liquids and will - in all probability - have their "sources".
But the e-cig would be dead for any current smoker willing to switch. Which is precisely what Big Pharma and Big Tobacco would love.
And their dear friends and buddies at the UK government would love to do them - and their own coffers and purses - that little favor.

It is important to realize that Big Government, Big Pharma and Big Tobacco all profit nicely from this vicious circle:
smoke tobacco and pay high taxes... try to quit with costly and nearly useless NRT's ... fail ... smoke tobacco and pay high taxes... try to .... - rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat... die.
The only one who does not profit from this wonderful money-making circle is the smoker. The person. The human being.
But who cares about those anyway?

..................


Just adding to the explanation by jpargana:



Yes, that is precisely the part of the EU Tobacco Regulation that we have been fighting so vigorously.

Thank you, Anja !!

 

[Anjaffm]

People will only mind their own business while it is worth minding. When it isn't they will mind your business. This minding of your business most often takes the form of *concern* about your health and moral well-being, and they will go to great lengths to impose upon you their own views and beliefs about what's best for you in these areas of your life. Not because they want you to be healthy and happy, but because they desperately crave power over you, and everyone else they can bring to heel.

perfect! You hit the nail right on the head

Oh and as to the posting by Vicshalls:

but you are of an older age you no longer qualify for certain procedures to be done. Now things will be based on age cause insurance does not want to flip the bill to give you a new heart at 70.

This is not made up. This is precisely what is happening in the UK, where the National Health Service is paid 100% by the government (tax money).

 

[FringeChief68]

Governments are losing money on lower Cigarette sales, and can't figure a way to steal oops I mean Tax more money out of Vaping,
and the worst of all,
People that gave up smoking for Vaping are not only healthier they are Happier!!!

We Must BAN IT