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[stols001]

I would probably recommend Aroma over Umbavape (although I am one of the few that thinks both are alright, but for my purposes) if in the throes of detox/quitting.

Yes, it's more expensive, yes I paid more for it, but if were to attempt WTA I would go with what I considered "the best," and I genuinely believe Aroma's is the best, and is probably best if you want to find out if "WTA" works for you. Because while I think Umba's is fine, I am also not in the throes of detox, KWIM. You can be pretty sure that if Aroma does nothing for you, the other ones likely won't, and if it does work, you can try the others at your leisure.

That would be my recommendation for anyone, and I have to give Aroma a shoutout for potency and actually "helping" me through the detox process. To be fair to all other WTA I've tried, I was using Aroma's for about 2 months straight as I quit, and I don't regret it. I didn't use the wholesale on its own, but I would add some to my tanks. Etc.

Anna

 

[ZenCloud79]

I just tried a 6mg mix using the 24mg tastemaker pure from umba, and as far as feeling the wta, it feels weaker than my 4mg mix of aromas 24mg unflavored. Aromas id take a puff, maybe once a half an hour. But this umba, hmm i dont know...feels like I could chain vape it. Not really impressed.

 

[Fredman1]

feels like I could chain vape it.

Yep that's what I essentially did. Sat down and emptied a tank of the 12mg Pure....if anything, it made me thirsty. With Aroma I can only manage a few puffs of their 12mg (I dilute it from the 24mg).
Again, i'm now convinced there is NO WTA in Umba...or at least there is NO natural tobacco alkaloids in there. That alkaloids is exactly that "ingredient" that gives WTA (and a sigarette) that distinctive taste. When you taste Aroma, you taste the alkaloids....its in your face. Umba's don't even taste of tobacco...

What Umba certainly do have, is a fantastic marketing strategy, flash website and unbelievable prices....on the face of all that, the last thing one would instinctively do, is to doubt their WTA content...right? Well I took that for granted...until I tasted Aroma's unflavoured that is...!!!
I now know what them alkaloids does and tastes like, and I won't be made a fool of no longer.
I would like if Umba joins the Suppliers Forum here, so we can discuss that with them.

 

[ZenCloud79]

Yea I thought something wasnt right being able to get 340ml for $50. Im still going to use it to justify that dent in my wallet, but just treat it as reg nic. Now im wondering if the nic is watered down lol

If you notice the reviews on umba site, they are all 5star or 10, doesnt seem very realistic

 

[Fredman1]

If you notice the reviews on umba site, they are all 5star or 10, doesnt seem very realistic

I "felt" its effect to when I first used it. I was new to WTA then....

 

[gerrymi]

But this umba, hmm i dont know...feels like I could chain vape it. Not really impressed.

i'm now convinced there is NO WTA in Umba...or at least there is NO natural tobacco alkaloids in there.

Very interesting...Zen and Fred...as I said above...FOR ME...I found that Umbavabe's 24mg-WTA (base) plus 12mg-WTA (flavored) at a 1:1 mixture = 18mg-WTA gave me the same increased mental clarity and energy that Aroma's 24mg-WTA does...

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[Fredman1]

Interesting Gerry. Can you taste the alkaloids in Umba?
Everyone is different. I don't get the mental clarity from either. All I get is from Aroma, that sense of satisfaction that I had enough. That feeling a smoke used to give me.
Over the weekend I got myself "overdozed" on Aromas 24mg. I got up out my chair and felt all light headed. Had to sit down till the pink elephants pass....

 

[stols001]

Mental clarity from WTA? I don't think even smoking always gave me that, LOL.

To be fair to Umbavape, I wouldn't expect it to be as good as Aroma but both sort of took away that "I want to chew through steel right NOW" sensation that I got when quitting smoking by around 3 p.m. everyday.

LOL, I'm guessing that WTA "improved our household" fortunately I was pretty lethargic from 18 months pneumonia when I transitioned to vaping. I was pretty quiet about my feelings on the matter (mainly because I was mostly too hoarse to talk). Probably best, for everyone. I won't mention my quitting smoking feelings because I'd probably destroy the word filter. No need. I'm sure you all know. LOL.

Anna

 

[gerrymi]

Can you taste the alkaloids in Umba?

Fred...not sure that I can taste the WTA in either Umba or Aroma???

One of my mental "price" calculations...when vaping Aroma's 70PG/30VG I have to call the window washer for my apartment somewhat less frequently then with Umba's 30PG/70VG and its "VG film"...(1 visit = 60 rather large windows = $70)...

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[Fredman1]

not sure that I can taste the WTA in either Umba or

When you look at Aromas unflavoured in the glass dripper, you can see that distinctive colour of the tobacco extraction. Its a greenish, almost opaque tint. The alkaloids gives it that colour. One can taste the natural tobacco alkaloids similar to a cigarette. The taste to me is "in my face"...and in my nose. Love that almost burning...definitely tingling sensation in the nasal areas. The alkaloids does that.
Umba gives me none of that....maybe a slight tingle...

 

[stols001]

I will concur that Aroma's juice tastes like something. It's almost a nutty taste to me, and yes, you could definitely see the color (although mine were kind of a pale brownish looking set of things.

Umbavape has somehow removed most of the color and taste, by design or not, I'm uncertain. Like I said, I'd love to find a way to "test" these things but I am not a chemist so can only go by taste and etc.

Also, I'm susceptible to "the placebo effect" and so.... That could be good (in my case) but bad in someone else's.

I will also note that almost every person is going to react to WTA differently depending on probably a jillion things. I'd like to think someone isn't selling "very expensive clear nic juice" but I have blind tested it due to the fact that I *am* susceptible to the placebo effect. Apparently I can "tell" whether I have umbavape on board or not (gave the husband two setups told him to put some WTA in one, but not the other, and then vaped one in the morning, and one in the afternoon. It apparently makes some difference and I doubt that I would taste anything in Umba's.

But again, these are personal decisions, and I don't really want to call out one or the other (there would be no way to NOT taste MM, unfortunately, that sort of tasted and looked like mud with ground up worms in it, with a similar consistency. Uh, no offense, Mother's Milk, but that IS what your WTA looks and tastes like, "blind" taste testing would be a bit rough.

Oddly despite MM looking and tasting like the dirt tobacco is grown in, it probably had the "weakest" effect of them all, so again, it's hard for me to say. By the looks of MM, you could use ONE drop in a 4 ml tank and still "notice" something, although perhaps less of an effect?

I actually am a bit stymied that out of the three makers, there are such vast differences. You'd think the dang stuff would have SOME similarity across the board, but no, I guess....

Anna

 

[Fredman1]

You are so right Anna. Because WTA's effect is so subtle, its hard to argue one way or the other without the concrete evidence. On top of that we all are wired differently, and therefore the effect varies greatly.
All I know now is the more I have the one, the less I want the other.

 

[ZenCloud79]

When I use some 12mg aroma with a few drops of pyramid tobacco flavor I get a very strong throat hit that I like.

Just sitting here vaping a 6mg pomegranate blackcurrent custard using umba, irritable and grouchy, puffin away waiting for the wta leprechaun, guys out to lunch. Top off tank with equal amount 4mg aroma, a few shakes, cool calm collect..

Thinking about just mixing in the small amount of aromas I have left with the bulk of this umba, in a tub in my garage and call it Goblin Reserve

 

[Fredman1]

forum.com/threads/so-are-we-getting-it-or-are-we-not-nicotine.44958/#post-670930
This is a fascinating thread to read. Its long but very informative about how and why WTA was developed by @DVap. The top of the range WTA at Aroma carries his name for a reason I think. If one look at his avatar, its obvious that the name WTA should not be used by just any "manufacturer". To me WTA should be equal or better than Aromas, as that is where his (DVap) legacy is. He developed the process and standard that Aroma is still using and setting. After reading through that whole thread, I greatly respect DVap for what he did for smokers that has a real problem quitting and staying that way. The very name WTA that he gave to it, should not be thrown around lightly....

 

[gerrymi]

I'm susceptible to "the placebo effect"

cool calm collect

I, personally, feel the same "cool, calm, and collected" effects from Umba WTA as I do from Aroma WTA...

But...say either one (or both) is indeed the "placebo effect"...

Not really sure if placebo/not-placebo is important (to me)...if the end result is...I vape it => I end up cool, calm, and collected...

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[stols001]

I will say, whenever possible, I harness the power of placebo (and it can indeed be AWESOME, in fact, a lot of drug studies have to work really hard to match or beat the placebo effect, LOL) to my benefit. Which is why I've kind of tuned out on the "which is better" after a while.... If it's "better" it is better.

I'm also the "medication researcher" in my family, (for my family I should say) and unless a side effect is life threatening or otherwise dreadful, I will often "ask" said family member if they'd like to know ALL possible side effects that are just annoying (with the potential to develop one just by knowing about it or not). They often (intelligently) refuse.

I don't have that luxury for my own meds, but after having been gutted badly by a psychiatrist or several, I'm afraid that I do ALL my own research, then hope for the best. LOL.

Anna