Underage Vaping
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If the underage vaper is using it as most adult vapers are, to break free of smoking, nothing, IMO. But supporting no limits on who can buy vape gear would be too much of a political negative for the vaping industry and vapers in general.
depends on weather or not they under agers are using 0 nic or nicced juice.... I dont agree with kids using nic. TBH Id rather see them vape 0 nic than do ciggies...
Against....I see it as Tobacco Harm Reduction (THR). Underage kids don't smoke either. Just because they might steal or buy cigs illegally, doesn't mean that kids should be able to vape. It's a principle.
*holds the envelope to his forehead* The Amazing Kreskin predicts a long thread.
In a perfect world, kids vaping nicotine shouldn't be much different than caffeinated coffee at Mcdonalds. However it isn't a perfect world, and there are three issues:
1. There's a lot we don't know about vaping. We know it's healthier than smoking, but there really is a lot we don't know.
2. The vape community is under a microscope with people associating/equating it with smoking, and if we're not seen condemning it at all times someone can use it as an example that vapers are condoning and encouraging it.
3. No one really wants to be encouraging an avoidable addiction (yes, it may not be as addictive if vaped, but, you know)
Plus if it's legal how will I make money off the kids outside the store?
In a perfect world, kids vaping nicotine shouldn't be much different than caffeinated coffee at Mcdonalds. However it isn't a perfect world, and there are three issues:
1. There's a lot we don't know about vaping. We know it's healthier than smoking, but there really is a lot we don't know.
2. The vape community is under a microscope with people associating/equating it with smoking, and if we're not seen condemning it at all times someone can use it as an example that vapers are condoning and encouraging it.
3. No one really wants to be encouraging an avoidable addiction (yes, it may not be as addictive if vaped, but, you know)
Plus if it's legal how will I make money off the kids outside the store?
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For me? Because I can't say with any certainty that vaping will not have any adverse effects on a young person. Once they have reached the age of majority, they can make the call for themselves.
Yes, I certainly believe that vaping is much better for me than smoking, but still not as "good" as taking nothing but clean air into my lungs.
Yes, I certainly believe that vaping is much better for me than smoking, but still not as "good" as taking nothing but clean air into my lungs.
Underage Vaping is the fad right now. If an underage person is Vaping due to smoking cigarettes, I honestly think it's ok. But if someone underage starts Vaping without smoking before hand or doing anything research I believe that is not ok.
Against it!
Nicotine is considered a drug and as such, should be for adults period and regulated like booze. I'm not saying drugs are for adults and that drugs are cool. It's indeed a fad right now and considered cool, but as many have said...we don't know enough to say it's completely safe. I for one, will NOT allow my kids to vape until they're of age.
Nicotine is considered a drug and as such, should be for adults period and regulated like booze. I'm not saying drugs are for adults and that drugs are cool. It's indeed a fad right now and considered cool, but as many have said...we don't know enough to say it's completely safe. I for one, will NOT allow my kids to vape until they're of age.
I think it's dabbling as kids will do to fit in or look cool but the problem lies with the KIDS using grenades to vape with, do they care about safety ? Do they look for the cheapest set up ? these KIDS are the ones getting hurt and were the ones getting a bad wrap for it .....
Very strongly against it. I don't care if it's 0mg nic or 36mg nic kids shouldn't be vaping. As others have stated, we know vaping is less harmful than smoking but what we don't know (yet) is just how harmful vaping really is.
If you're under 18 you shouldn't be vaping, of course you shouldn't be smoking either.
We are the self-appointed guinea pigs in a large sample real life experiment. We walk into it knowing the benefits and possible risks, kids don't generally think that way.
One word.... Ignorance.
Because people do not know the facts, they take what they read on the net, and watch on TV as fact. They do not take a few moments to fill in the blank and get the rest of the information. Most people watch the TV news and see a 1 minute blurb saying "Vaping is killing people" (Yes in Dallas NBC had this on their morning news) and think they have become instant experts. When I called the station and complained that they are reporting misinformation and gave places that they could look up the information, they slightly changed the verbiage on the next showing. They stated that vapor produced toxic chemicals etc etc and brought up the formaldehyde, and quoted some study, the same one that has been debunked MULTIPLE times as they brought the juice over 1000 degrees to produce "irritating" levels of any chemicals. When they reposted the information they added the words "at high temperatures" which means nothing the viewing public.
On the Underage Vaping subject, most people use their moral standings and push them onto others. "If I cant/wont do this, then neither should they" Its almost like there is a Snidley Whiplash type character lurking in the shadows in a cloak waiting for a child to walk by and he will twill his mustache and run up shoving a mod in the child's mouth and POOF they are an instant addict that is now going out and robbing the local church to supply their laced chemical juice need... (ok my head is a bit on the cartoony messed up side this morning...)
Because people do not know the facts, they take what they read on the net, and watch on TV as fact. They do not take a few moments to fill in the blank and get the rest of the information. Most people watch the TV news and see a 1 minute blurb saying "Vaping is killing people" (Yes in Dallas NBC had this on their morning news) and think they have become instant experts. When I called the station and complained that they are reporting misinformation and gave places that they could look up the information, they slightly changed the verbiage on the next showing. They stated that vapor produced toxic chemicals etc etc and brought up the formaldehyde, and quoted some study, the same one that has been debunked MULTIPLE times as they brought the juice over 1000 degrees to produce "irritating" levels of any chemicals. When they reposted the information they added the words "at high temperatures" which means nothing the viewing public.
On the Underage Vaping subject, most people use their moral standings and push them onto others. "If I cant/wont do this, then neither should they" Its almost like there is a Snidley Whiplash type character lurking in the shadows in a cloak waiting for a child to walk by and he will twill his mustache and run up shoving a mod in the child's mouth and POOF they are an instant addict that is now going out and robbing the local church to supply their laced chemical juice need... (ok my head is a bit on the cartoony messed up side this morning...)
Face facts, not the politicaly correct BS from BOTH sides.. Yes, I know and accept it is also becoming a popular social activity and that not all if not most users use low or NO nicotine. BUT, nicotine is the MOST addictive drug known to man. Hey a hundred years ago it was more common to drink Beer instead of water. Not because people wanted to get drunk, but so they wouldn't get sick from parasites. That does not mean it's OK to give my 10 year old a COORs with breakfast.
Keep the kids away from vaping, DO NOT give the Do Gooders more excusses to regulate freedom away.
Keep the kids away from vaping, DO NOT give the Do Gooders more excusses to regulate freedom away.
See ^^^^ This is the problem
#1 We do not KNOW it is safer, we ASSUME that because there is no combustion and fewer chemical, that it is safer. There are no real studies one way or the other. So we can NOT know.
2# It is associated with smoking because it was created as a product to help people QUIT smoking. Kinda a association by design. Beer is associated with getting drunk, but was created as a beverage that was safer to drink than water.
3# Nicotine is the MOST addicitive substance known to man, period....... I would submit that the nic may be more affective vaped than smoke because most of it is not incinerated prior to delivery.
The problem with kids and vaping is that the body chemistry of children is different. It is constantly changing and adjusting to the world whereas an adult is pretty much done doing the weird stuff that can go horribly wrong. This is the way I explain it to my children. Vaping, as far as we know, is safe. Healthy? Not in the sense that Wheaties are part of a healthy breakfast. However, to a growing body, nicotine has effects that will alter the way that body grows. The other ingredients in our juice are irritants, which will also alter the way a body grows as it responds to the irritation. Kids don't need this. The mentality is the same as caffeine and alcohol. If there is no reason for them to be exposed, then in general it should be reasonably prevented.
I think you may be surprised if you take the time to read this: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...2-just-how-addictive-e-cigs.html#post14877233
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