Underage Vaping

[BlkWolfMidnight]

From the link you provided:

Old studies, old thinking.

Nicotine Propaganda

I get what you are saying, a lot of information out there is old or skewed. I'm not going to play with 100mg nic base to see if a lot of the studies and findings are accurate or not (Human guinea pig I am not). Unfortunately there is a lot of information that is either one side of the fence or the other, and they aren't even close together. I can recall when doing a science experiment you would have 2 circles, findings 1 and findings 2, the overlapping center were findings that were the same and generally accepted as facts at that point. Sadly the two findings circles for these studies don't even touch, or come close to touching, they aren't even on the same sheet of paper a lot of times.

I would expect to find some uniformity somewhere but I've not yet, now I'm not saying that little pieces from both aren't true but I'm in no position to test the findings on myself (I like breathing should it all go south well, yah). The base line is we may never know what is fact and what is fiction, remember confusion is a tactic that has worked for hundreds of years to keep the masses in check.

 

[ReigntheGamer]

Underage vaping.

 

[novamatt]

See ^^^^ This is the problem

#1 We do not KNOW it is safer, we ASSUME that because there is no combustion and fewer chemical, that it is safer. There are no real studies one way or the other. So we can NOT know.

2# It is associated with smoking because it was created as a product to help people QUIT smoking. Kinda a association by design. Beer is associated with getting drunk, but was created as a beverage that was safer to drink than water.

3# Nicotine is the MOST addicitive substance known to man, period....... I would submit that the nic may be more affective vaped than smoke because most of it is not incinerated prior to delivery.

I know #3 here has been pretty thoroughly addressed by many people, but #1 is problematic as well. There are LOTS of "real studies" that show it is significantly less harmful, they just don't get the attention because they aren't going to generate news ratings. Check out the science at CASAA or Dr Farsalinos' site, among others.

The only thing we don't have anything on yet is real long term usage, because they haven't been out for long enough yet. We should have that in a few decades, and it's likely, based on the research we do have, to show that they're significantly less dangerous than cigarettes long term as well, although there's always a chance of hidden problems we don't know about yet.

 

[BlkWolfMidnight]

I had to come around a little on this too, but some research -- and I know enough about science to not just adopt this based on some research -- does appear to be showing that how we take in certain drugs really does affect how they affect us.

There's one where if it goes up your nose it can create a dependency (especially for some), but if you're smoking it it's on a whole other level and we don't know why. The idea is that nicotine is like that, and I'm definitely keeping an open mind about it as the existing work is either replicated or repudiated.

Exactly, there are a lot of unknowns here at this time. I accept the risk and know what I'm getting in to. Its safer then smoking and if you've ever tried the patch way better then that (Night terrors, never again). The gum has proven to be ineffective for a lot of folks, so yah I get that I'm taking a risk and should it be bad then can handle that later. The bottom line if you can avoid uncertainty then do so, be safe and enjoy life, I wish this for you I really do.

 

[dbrandt01]

I'm against it. Especially when I'm outside my house or in the parking lot and some young 15 year old or whatever comes up and says "Yo dude, that looks cool I want to blow bigger clouds than you. Since it's not smoking I can do it in stores". It's a fad for them. There are videos on YouTube of kids in high school vaping and blowing O's during class behind the teachers back and students giggling like it's a game. I'm 100% okay with being 18 years or old, or 19 in some states to buy it. I believe it should be that way whether it's 0mg or 18mg. It doesn't change my opinion on it. There are no reasons for kids doing it.

 

[Lessifer]

See ^^^^ This is the problem

#1 We do not KNOW it is safer, we ASSUME that because there is no combustion and fewer chemical, that it is safer. There are no real studies one way or the other. So we can NOT know.

2# It is associated with smoking because it was created as a product to help people QUIT smoking. Kinda a association by design. Beer is associated with getting drunk, but was created as a beverage that was safer to drink than water.

3# Nicotine is the MOST addicitive substance known to man, period....... I would submit that the nic may be more affective vaped than smoke because most of it is not incinerated prior to delivery.

1. There is actually plenty of scientific evidence that vaping is relatively harmless, along the lines of breathing the air in a well populated city. The one thing we don't have is longitudinal studies, because it hasn't been around long enough, but the short term effects, or lack thereof, are well documented.

2. No, it was invented as a healthier alternative to smoking. Remove the combustion of plant matter and you reduce the harm significantly.

3. No, it's really not. Nicotine, absent tobacco, is not addictive.

As to the OP, I am personally not against teens vaping, at all. I know that politically, the non-smoking non-vaping public would have a hissy fit if we didn't support age restrictions, but those age restrictions are based on nothing more than a puritanical carry over from smoking. Bottom line, if it's "safe" enough for me to do, and for me to do around you, then it's "safe" enough for you to do, whoever you are.

 

[bohrdom]

If 0 nic vapes existed when I was 16, I definitely would have tried them. Age restrictions or not, there is always that one liquor store in town that everybody knows about... who makes so much money off the under-age sales that they can afford to pay the fines...!

That being said, I still would have bought a pack of cigarettes. I mean, I'd buy the occasional swisher or something too, but never not "into" cigars - it was just plain old curiosity.

I have a suspicion that some people are just like programmed toward certain behaviors. Whether it's nature, nurture, or both, I was always interested in smoking, and buying cigarettes was sort of inevitable. But, no age restrictions would seem uncomfortably close to "permission" to me - which seems uncomfortably close to "encouragement." I wouldn't give either of those things for any potentially negative behaviors, unless there was zero evidence that anything could be harmful, longitudinal studies regarding the developmental impacts of everything in e cigs, etc.

Then again, kids love doing what they're not supposed to do. Maybe we should tell them all to vape all they want, smoke all they want, drink all they want... and never, ever, under any circumstances, eat kale salad with tofu and balsamic vinaigrette......

 

[LaPascualita]

When I was a kid, all adults could do when they saw kids smoking was shake their heads, "smoking's bad! Harummph!" and walk away. Even the cops. There were no citations for underage smoking. There were cigarette stains on the edge of every public bathroom sink. Ashtrays in every walkway. Smoking areas inside hospitals.

I am not at all crazy about the idea of kids just vaping for coolness, but I am more concerned about energy drinks and diet pills.

 

[treah]

I think that people are against it because it is more like a gate way into smoking analogs.

I've heard that before and I think it's bull. Why on earth would anyone go from sweet, good smelling, painless fun to something that stinks to hell, burns, tastes like ... and is more expensive? I think kids take risks sometimes for thrill but are they outright stupid? I don't think so. My adult son sometimes uses a hookah and tastes my ejuices when I get new ones but smoke a tobacco cigarette? Never. He thinks they're the most disgusting things on earth.

As for underage vaping, normally no. There's no reason for it. For a teenager who already got addicted to tobacco, then hell yes, give them the 0 nic and let them have at it.

 

[beez0527]

See ^^^^ This is the problem

#1 We do not KNOW it is safer, we ASSUME that because there is no combustion and fewer chemical, that it is safer. There are no real studies one way or the other. So we can NOT know.

2# It is associated with smoking because it was created as a product to help people QUIT smoking. Kinda a association by design. Beer is associated with getting drunk, but was created as a beverage that was safer to drink than water.

3# Nicotine is the MOST addicitive substance known to man, period....... I would submit that the nic may be more affective vaped than smoke because most of it is not incinerated prior to delivery.

#3 i give you this to read.
The Great Nicotine Myth

 

[K_Tech]

but what about letting kids vape 0 nic?? hows the feeling on that venue?

If the parents are okay with it, have at it. If I had kids, I would rather see them vape than smoke, but I would strongly encourage them to avoid both activities.

 

[TylerSteez]

When I was in highschool last year I laughed at all the under aged kids who bought vapes to "fit in" even though they never smoked cigarettes before. It took my highschool by storm and many got in a lot of trouble for it. I think that if you were an underage smoker who was trying to get off cigarettes then there is nothing wrong with switching to vaping but if you're under age and you buy a vape just to seem cool or fit in then there's a problem

 

[dice57]

For me? Because I can't say with any certainty that vaping will not have any adverse effects on a young person. Once they have reached the age of majority, they can make the call for themselves.

Yes, I certainly believe that vaping is much better for me than smoking, but still not as "good" as taking nothing but clean air into my lungs.

damn, just wondering where the frak you found clean air to breathe

 

[K_Tech]

damn, just wondering where the frak you found clean air to breathe

I import mine from Tibet, where do you get yours from?

Okay, smartypants, relatively clean, lol.