Oh. Em. Gee. This one did it for sure. Annnnd I'm out! LMMFAO!!!
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Oh. Em. Gee. This one did it for sure. Annnnd I'm out! LMMFAO!!!
Exactly! There is NO way the manufacturer or the supplier hasn't heard about this. If it wasn't true, they would have made a statement to the contrary as soon as possible to avoid false accusations and any damage to their good name. That everything is so hush hush, makes it seem very suspect!
IMO, the biggest issue is the lack of disclosure from the creator. If vendors are at all concerned about potential regulations, all ingredients should be on the labels and on the sites where the product is sold. That, in itself, would end speculation and the sounding of the sirens. Labeling PG, VG, Nicotine and Artificial/Natural Flavoring isn't enough if there's actually more in the juice, specifically, an additive, whether it's TD, a sweetener (the type needs to be listed), ethyl malitol etc. If a juice business isn't capable of providing ingredients, down to a tee (baring the exact flavor and company they use), perhaps they don't need to be selling it?
We don't need regulation - they, as vendors, should be able to self-regulate and do their own research and relay that to the consumer. It'd prevent a lot of this from happening.
And before anyone asks, no, I hardly buy from vendors now days as I DIY 99.9% of my juice, but the very few I do buy are from vendors that *will* tell me exactly what's in there, not hide it or slip it in.
You mention that there may only be trace amounts of TD in there, which, in your opinion, would be negligible, so I have a question for you: Are you okay with trace amounts of Diacetyl? Acetoin? Acetyl Proprionyl? Or any other potentially dangerous chemical being present? Would you not rather see a vendor label a juice if it's in there and give their customers a choice? I'm being serious - this isn't meant to come off as me being a smart you know what - it's a valid question.
OMGGG! My POINT was--do we need protective gear to VAPE? No we don't. Jesus-like I don't know there's nicotine in ejuice. Laughable.
That's comparing apples and oranges! Saying something false about a celebrity only involves the celebrity. This involves EVERYONE who has used this product! So YES, being the manufacturers product could potentially be harming thousands of people, YES, they need to come out publicly and set the record straight!! Not to hard to see the reasoning there is it??
Actually...when handling liquid nicotine like the e-juice makers and DIYers...they do wear protective gear.
Someone just shoot me and put me out of my misery. Please shoot me? What is not penetrating in these people's skulls?? Okay this time I think I'm truly out of here for now. Some people just have the inability to discuss the matter at hand. For instance, point to a blue stone and say "that stone is blue." and watch how some people go on to talk about grass, gravity, baseball....when it has no relevance to talking about the color of a stone right in front of them.
Nighty night!!
Please do get some sleep and I hope you get more sense when you wake up. The fallacies in your posts have been pointed out and have been corrected with good and factual reasoning.
I'm sorry you suffer from misery. I can't and will not hope for someone to shoot you out of your misery. Violence does not solve anything...
I'm sorry you suffer from misery. I can't and will not hope for someone to shoot you out of your misery. Violence does not solve anything...
Well. All of you have fun with this thread. I'd rather do just about anything than read anymore of the banter back and forth.
Oh no, an ECF Infaction. What ever will I do, how will I survive? Not being sarcastic with you, but being more sarcastic that theyd give anyone any sort of infraction over such an important topic. Like it *means* anything.
its kind of amusing lol never tried the juice before so I don't really have much to say about it. Although I always wanted to taste it so see what all the hype was about.....
I suppose it could've just been perfect timing, right?
Said juice gets popular, people start wondering what substance makes it that signature color. Juicevendor asks manufacturer about this specifically and is reportedly told "why yes it does contain that but don't worry, it's safe for ingestion" (but not inhalation). The very next day said ejuice manufacturer suddenly changes his formula to not include the asked about substance and basically every retailer pulls the original product off their shelves. Including canceling existing mail orders. I'm sure it's just coincidence.
It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out what's going on.
Not every vendor stopped selling cinnamon liquids for one. Secondly, that study was published by a group known to be staunchly anti-ecig and to have had methodology issues with their previous "findings." However in this case all the product was pulled from the shelves, the formula changed and mail orders canceled.
Please remember to "attack the post, not the poster." BE NICE!
Information about this is all over the internet now. Hopefully, everyone who could be affected will have the information they need to make the proper and correct decision for themselves on how to handle this situation. I personally, would be very, very irritated to find this information if I'd ordered that particular ejuice. One tends to believe juice makers research ingredients before adding them to their products, or at least we hope they do.
As suggested earlier, this is all supposition at this time. There's no need to get mad at anyone in here as we're all concerned with what's best for our health and vaping in general.
Information about this is all over the internet now. Hopefully, everyone who could be affected will have the information they need to make the proper and correct decision for themselves on how to handle this situation. I personally, would be very, very irritated to find this information if I'd ordered that particular ejuice. One tends to believe juice makers research ingredients before adding them to their products, or at least we hope they do.
As suggested earlier, this is all supposition at this time. There's no need to get mad at anyone in here as we're all concerned with what's best for our health and vaping in general.
Show us two examples where a vendor has changed their juice formula because of excessive coil buildup. Ever try a juice from Vapetrik? That stuff is hell on coils and carto's.
Holy cats! This thread is just flying along!
These are all awesome ideas, and I'll definitely give the whole thing some thought.
I really thinks it's a very worthwhile idea.
(And I'm from the western part of the state, BTW, in the foothills of the Bigelow Range. Pretty, but currently a bit overly snowy. Very glad to meet you, GemCutter.)
These are all awesome ideas, and I'll definitely give the whole thing some thought.
I really thinks it's a very worthwhile idea.
(And I'm from the western part of the state, BTW, in the foothills of the Bigelow Range. Pretty, but currently a bit overly snowy. Very glad to meet you, GemCutter.)
No one has even proven that Titanium Dioxide is:
A- in the juice
B-assuming its in the juice, that in its state, is harmful.
The only thing I can find out about Titanium Dioxide being harmful, has to do with the nanoparticles of the substance. Titanium Dioxide is approved for use in food coloring, pharmecuetical drugs, cosmetics, etc etc.
IN ITS nanoparticle form, there is the POSSIBILITY, OF ITS BEING A POSSIBLE CARCINOGEN. There is no definitive proof.
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There is no prood Titanium Dioxide is in the juice. Thats number 1.
But assuming it is..
Is it in the juice in nano particle form? Probably not. Why? Well, again, based on nothing but conjecture, as this whole thread has been so far, the idea is the the juice contains iciing whitener. Iciing whitener, a food colorant, is fully able to use titanium oxide, because titanium dioxide has been approved for that use. The nanoparticle form of TD, is not what you would use to make a food colorant.
People hear vapor and they're going to automatically assume that vapor and nano particles go together. There is no dust in vapor.
BUT.. ASSSSSSUMING ALLLLL OF THAT. iT STILL HAS TO BE PROVEN SAFE FOR INHALTION.
But wait.
Propolyene Glycol
and
Vegetable Glycerin
have not been PROVEN SAFE for inhalation. They are labled as GRAS. Which means, GENERALLY REGARDED AS SAFE, furthermore, that is not specifically speaking to inhalation, just its use for consumption.
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Titanium Dioxide sounds like a scary word. And without ANY PROOF on either side of the table, the mere mention of the Nano Particle phase of TD, POSSIBLY BEING A POSSIBLE CARCINOGEN(in rats), is apparently enough to convice enough of you to throw your best fightin' hats on, and threaten, demand, blame and persecute everyone you can find who doesn't agree with your unproven mission statement.
A- in the juice
B-assuming its in the juice, that in its state, is harmful.
The only thing I can find out about Titanium Dioxide being harmful, has to do with the nanoparticles of the substance. Titanium Dioxide is approved for use in food coloring, pharmecuetical drugs, cosmetics, etc etc.
IN ITS nanoparticle form, there is the POSSIBILITY, OF ITS BEING A POSSIBLE CARCINOGEN. There is no definitive proof.
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There is no prood Titanium Dioxide is in the juice. Thats number 1.
But assuming it is..
Is it in the juice in nano particle form? Probably not. Why? Well, again, based on nothing but conjecture, as this whole thread has been so far, the idea is the the juice contains iciing whitener. Iciing whitener, a food colorant, is fully able to use titanium oxide, because titanium dioxide has been approved for that use. The nanoparticle form of TD, is not what you would use to make a food colorant.
People hear vapor and they're going to automatically assume that vapor and nano particles go together. There is no dust in vapor.
BUT.. ASSSSSSUMING ALLLLL OF THAT. iT STILL HAS TO BE PROVEN SAFE FOR INHALTION.
But wait.
Propolyene Glycol
and
Vegetable Glycerin
have not been PROVEN SAFE for inhalation. They are labled as GRAS. Which means, GENERALLY REGARDED AS SAFE, furthermore, that is not specifically speaking to inhalation, just its use for consumption.
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Titanium Dioxide sounds like a scary word. And without ANY PROOF on either side of the table, the mere mention of the Nano Particle phase of TD, POSSIBLY BEING A POSSIBLE CARCINOGEN(in rats), is apparently enough to convice enough of you to throw your best fightin' hats on, and threaten, demand, blame and persecute everyone you can find who doesn't agree with your unproven mission statement.
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