Unloaded ratios

[Walrus]

Ok... so I'm not doing this because I'm low on e-liquid... and based on my outstanding orders (5 bottles from TW alone) I won't be any time soon... but I like to play around.

I use distilled water when appropriate to thin my mixes, but I'm wondering: When leaving out nic fluids or PG (have a bottle of that on order, too) what's the appropriate ratio in a direct distilled water/glyerine blend? Thick enough to not run straight to the battery yet thin enough to fill carts effectively?

I could arrive at this through trial & error, but don't want to waste my stuff.

 

[Idahojo]

I'm having trouble with that too Walrus. Working on it as I type this. Still struggling. I watched Rita's video and she mixes eliquid and glycerine 50/50 with no distilled water. Kate uses water. I'm struggling with the recipe thing cause I'm not making a new flavor, just extending some 36ml juice to tone it down plus make it last longer till I can order from PS. Too much water is not good, found that out the hard way. I'll let you know if I get it right. Please do the same if you find out.

 

[Idahojo]

Ok Walrus, just tried the 50/50 like Rita said and it works pretty good. I was just guessing before so this time I actually measured it my syringe. Try it.

 

[Walrus]

Thanks for the input, Idahojo... but maybe I wasn't clear enough

I'm looking for the right mixture of *only* distilled water and glycerine. I mix my own juice readily enough. I'm trying to sort out a home-made 0 nic solution.

 

[UkUsa]

Walrus, a while back i was out of juice for 24 hours. I'm thinking my mix was 70% VG 10% water and 20% LorAnn. It was a little thicker so i topped off carts a few drops at a time and let it soak in. It vaped ok. Kept me off the analogs for that 24 hours surprisingly well with minimal cravings.

Happy mixing !!

 

[Jaaxx]

When using commercial PG based liquid remember there is usually already a water and ethanol content. I have found that if you go over 20% with flavoring/water/ethanol it starts to affect the vapor qualities.

I recommend using no more than 3-4% distilled water. And if your flavorings have water, I recommend using ethanol only for thinning. Two distinct advantages: it requires about 30% less ethanol vs. water for thinning and it has a lower boiling point (thus lower vaporization point.)


Jaaxx

 

[DCrist721]

Using water (even distilled water) is likely going to kill your atomizer sooner. When water is present, the atomizer has to get a lot hotter in order to vaporize the liquid.

 

[Walrus]

When using commercial PG based liquid remember there is usually already a water and ethanol content. I have found that if you go over 20% with flavoring/water/ethanol it starts to affect the vapor qualities.

I recommend using no more than 3-4% distilled water. And if your flavorings have water, I recommend using ethanol only for thinning. Two distinct advantages: it requires about 30% less ethanol vs. water for thinning and it has a lower boiling point (thus lower vaporization point.)


Jaaxx

Ok... I'm going to go where I said I wouldn't... my reason for not wanting alcohol in the mix.

I'm a recovering alcoholic. I haven't had a drink in 14 years, and have no desire to do so. I don't *think* having a bottle in the house would be tempting. I'm actually fairly certain of it... I work in a bar every weekend and there is no temptation to have a drink.

My concern is using it in my liquids. Is it an intoxicant when inhaled? I'm assuming that by ethanol you are referring to Everclear or something similar. I can't recall, but don't think ethanol is available like rubbing alcohol.

 

[RjG]

P.G. is the same consistency as your regular e-liquid, no thinning required.

So if you don't want to mess with tempting ingredients thinning VG,
just wait for your P.G. to come

 

[Walrus]

P.G. is the same consistency as your regular e-liquid, no thinning required.

So if you don't want to mess with tempting ingredients thinning VG,
just wait for your P.G. to come

That's two whole days! Idle hands and all that...

 

[Kate]

I don't see any real problems with mixing glycerine and distilled water, there is already a high percentage of water present in eliquid. I don't use alcohol either when I mix.

I haven't mixed just water, glycerine and flavours yet so can't help with ratios. Why not try a tiny mix yourself to get the consistency right for you and then you could use the measurements to make a big mix without worrying about wastage.

 

[kinabaloo]

Unless your flavouring is super concentrated, 10 - 20% flavouring and 80-90% VG/PG works well. First try a small amount of mix using 90% VG/PG and only 10% flavouring. And add more flavouring if you need to for consistency or more flavor.

If the flavouring contains alcohol it will thin the VG/PG more quickly than a purely water based flavouring. In any case, it takes surprisingly little water/alcohol to change the consistency (thickness) of VG. In the unlikely event that the flavour of the mix is strong enough but the mix still too thick I prefer to use alcohol rather than water as a thinner as it diminishes vapor less, but this is not a big deal.

It is much more likely that a mix will be too thin rather than too thick. Too thin and you get leaking (though overfilling can cause that too). Just noticeably thicker than water is about right.

Of course, if you plan to then mix your flavoured VG/PG mix with ('cut') a nicotine containing juice, you will need a stronger flavour in your mix, though nicotine itself provides some 'flavor'.
Typically, the cut is 50/50 but just depends on the final strength of nicotine you desire. If you use nicotine juice just for the nicotine and do your own flavours, it makes sense to use a high strength unflavored nicotine juice so that you use less of it (more cost-effective).

ps: keep glycerine bottle sealed as it readily absorbs water from the air; this would make it less effective at producing vapor. Hence also all mixes.

 

[menthol]

See if the bar will let you buy a shot of everclear and take it home in 1 of your small bottles. There are 120 drops in a tsp (approx), I don't think the amount you use for dripping or carts is enough to intoxicate.

 

[MARK4567]

The amount of alcohol used to dilute VG is not enough to even show up on a breathalizer (unless you just take a hit and then blow into the machine). I use "devil springs vodka" (160 proof) in my liquid to get a nice throat hit.
So I tried it with the breathalizer at work to see if after vaping all day it would show up. I got nothing. Thought this might help.

 

[Walrus]

The amount of alcohol used to dilute VG is not enough to even show up on a breathalizer (unless you just take a hit and then blow into the machine). I use "devil springs vodka" (160 proof) in my liquid to get a nice throat hit.
So I tried it with the breathalizer at work to see if after vaping all day it would show up. I got nothing. Thought this might help.

It's not so much the alcohol in the mix, it's the bottle in the house. Moot point now anyway... My gallon came a while ago.

 

[MARK4567]

Walrus.Good for you congrats on 14 years!!! My post was basically for "menthol" asking if the amount of alcohol in the mix could intoxicate.

 

[DCrist721]

I don't see any real problems with mixing glycerine and distilled water, there is already a high percentage of water present in eliquid. I don't use alcohol either when I mix.

Totally Wicked lists water as making up 10% of the e-liquid. I recently used my atomizer (Which was only a couple of weeks old) before it had completely dried from when I cleaned it a couple of hours earlier. I had to inhale much more then normal for the e-liquid to evaporate, and I could feel the atomizer getting really hot. I gave it 30 second to a minute to rest in between hits, but it still was getting really hot from having to puff on it multiple times to get a decent hit. Finally on the 3rd or 4th hit it just stopped producing vapor. I tried everything, but it was definitely dead. I have no idea why this happens though. I'm pretty sure that PG/VG and nicotine have higher boiling points then water. Idk about the flavorings though, but they only make up a small part of the e-liquid. So I'm really confused as to why this happened, I just know that it did.

 

[nbrice]

DCrist721,
I read somewhere that if the atomizer gets too hot the heat can break it. It sounds like that is what happened.