ROFL... Letterman had some funny things to say about it -- "Republicans won the popular vote. Democrats won the UNpopular vote."
Andria
OK, so now we're going to see a major reversal on anti-vaping ordinances? The ball's in the Red court.
You have the helm, let's see how willing your representatives are to support vaping.
VHRB2014, you've found a way to make me feel absolutely awful about something I really hoped would happen (that Conrad James would win).
So, now it's time to stop talking crap about the "libs", "progressives", etc. Let's see what your party will do for us.\
As a Democrat in Albuquerque, I can't say that I'm thrilled about this. On the other hand, I wasn't thrilled about the legislation that his opponent planned to introduce at the next session.
Anyways, I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade....
But, I would like to point out that this election came at the end of six years of a Democrat in the White House. It's not uncommon for major shifts to happen on the tail end of a party's presence in the White House, even on a local level. Also, District 24 is in an area that is currently undergoing major economic developments. It's not impossible that this might have accounted for some demographic shifts. Not saying that your support didn't change anything, but I wouldn't assume that this is a mandate from the public.
Honestly, I hope you guys made a difference. I hope that my fellow Democrats get the message because harm reduction is something they should be getting on board with.
New press release on the subject -- AVA Comments on Defeat of NM State Rep. Liz Thomson - The American Vaping Association
We are hopeful that a New Mexico newspaper will feature this story in the coming week or so.
Absolutely not a mandate and we certainly didn't get all 336 of those additional voters to the polls, but it's rare that any one organization can take credit for helping elect a politician. As long as you are part of that effort, you can share in the credit.
I encourage you to ask for a meeting with your State House Rep and State Senator to explain harm reduction to them. Feel free to note that as a Democrat, you were disappointed to see vapers working against a Dem, but understood why considering how unnecessarily hostile Thomson was towards this industry.
I can do that. I also plan to write the Democratic party, although I don't know how much that will do.
The thing that bugs me the most about this whole thing isn't her position itself, it's the massive waste of time and the poor strategy. New Mexico has some major issues such as poverty, lack of resources for the homeless and mentally ill, education, and a lot more. There is rarely anything done about these issues. Instead of focusing on these things, which should really be at the top of Democrat's platform, the representatives in my party waste their time on this nonsense.
The fact of the matter is that the FDA is already wading into this topic. I personally believe that there needs to be regulation and research conducted. This will happen now that the FDA is involved. I know that a lot of you will think that I'm wrong and this is a terrible idea, but that's besides the point. There's no reason for state law makers to take action on this stuff beyond minimum age requirements and perhaps bans on people vaping in some private businesses and public areas, like the grocery store or the movie theater. It's important that we look into the future and try and mitigate risks in the present, but as I said, the FDA will cover this. If there is a substantial risks from e-gics, then the FDA will deal with it. A state representative who has no resources to conduct adequate research has no place making these proposals.
Finally, this is a terrible decision strategically. One thing that all political parties look at is how their actions will effect future elections. We have a number of shops in this city that have done well and there is no way that a flat out flavor ban would not have put them out of business. Destroying small businesses never looks good. Furthermore, this would all be for naught since we could just order stuff online. If flavor bans are one day deemed appropriate, the Federal government should handle that because they are the only ones that can effectively ban flavors.
Actually, I dont think your wrong, I KNOW youre wrong.
The FDA is not our friend and never has been.
Anyone telling themselves otherwise is either delusional or hasnt been around long enough to know better.
Almost 5 years ago I had a successful e-cig company called zapcigs.com and was a registered supplier here on ECF.
Due to a couple of successful reviews of our 901 kits, they were selling like hotcakes, and we decided to roll our initial modest investment in the company as well as the profits we'd made into a larger order.
Bad idea
The FDA seized the entire shipment, 15k dollars worth and destroyed it. Thats a lot of money for a baretnder trying to support a family of three on his own.
On top of that they had the nerve to send me a bill for 800 dollars to pay for them destroying my stuff.
The FDA seized other shipments and this was fought by NJoy in front of Judge Leon who ruled the FDAs actions unconstitutional.
This wasnt a class action suit.
It was handled on a case-by-case basis and as a result many of the smaller ecigs companies (there were only a few dozen of us at the time) ended up going out of business and I think this was their intention all along.
The FDA has had it out for us since then that time and has shown nothing to convince me otherwise in the interim.
Well, as I said, that's beyond the point. I'm commenting on the efficiency of state legislatures making these laws when the FDA will eventually make rules.
I'm failing to see how illegal government seizure is beside the point. This is what we're up against. Whether they take a mile up front or have to settle for "inch by inch", they'll grab whatever they can, ignoring the law if they see fit.
But, now that I've seen your response, I will remember to never waste my time responding in the future.
Finally, my condolences, Zapped. We may not share the same views in general, but that is clearly wrong beyond words. Keep up the good fight.
Actually, I dont think your wrong, I KNOW youre wrong.
The FDA is not our friend and never has been.
Anyone telling themselves otherwise is either delusional or hasnt been around long enough to know better.
Almost 5 years ago I had a successful e-cig company called zapcigs.com and was a registered supplier here on ECF.
Due to a couple of successful reviews of our 901 kits, they were selling like hotcakes, and we decided to roll our initial modest investment in the company as well as the profits we'd made into a larger order.
Bad idea
The FDA seized the entire shipment, 15k dollars worth and destroyed it. Thats a lot of money for a bartender trying to support a family of three on his own.
On top of that they had the nerve to send me a bill for 800 dollars to pay for them destroying my stuff.
The FDA seized other shipments and this was fought by NJoy in front of Judge Leon who ruled the FDAs actions unconstitutional.
This wasnt a class action suit.
It was handled on a case-by-case basis and as a result many of the smaller ecigs companies (there were only a few dozen of us at the time) ended up going out of business and I think this was their intention all along.
I know one supplier here who will remain unnamed who lost 250k dollars but was able to absorb the cost (barely)
The FDA has had it out for us since then and has shown nothing to convince me otherwise in the interim.
End rant/consider yourself informed.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.
I agree with you, that the FDA has no business doing anything about e-cigs, and as I learned from emailing my congressman, he agrees, that *IF* any further regulations are needed, they should be enacted at the state and local level, NOT federal.
The ONLY reason the FDA is sticking their nose in is because their buttbuddy BP is raising hell about lost profits, and because there is nicotine in e-cigs -- it's a DRUG! Well, guess what?! Caffeine is a drug too, and it's in most of the mainstream colas, tea, and coffee... I don't see the FDA having a connimption fit about THAT, do you? E-cigs are a C0NSUMER PRODUCT just like coffee, tea, and cola, and the FDA has no more business sticking their busybody nose into e-cigs than into coffee, tea, and cola!
We need LESS government, NOT MORE!!!!!!!!!!
Andria