Upgrade Dilemma

[kiwivap]

in the last YEAR, sure, but he is a provari owner...no one has done head to head yet, i'm waiting on PBusardo's video on it....Zmax2 is third or fourth in the review queue for him and will probably go more in debth.

Yes, I know he will be reviewing it. I don't undertsand why it would need to be head to head since the provari doesn't have variable wattage. So there's a distinct advantage there.

he recommended it, yes, to someone who does not have a VV device already or a new vaper looking to get into VV mods....again no mention of any comparisons, he kept that classy.

He made comparisons. I'm not looking at his review as the ultimate say so tho. I'm putting it against three others I've looked at. And the users reports I've read.

but bottom line - it's STILL not as accurate as the provari...and to achieve maximum accuracy, you have to stack batteries, which i'm TOTALLY against...and it is STILL off....another thing was the firing button got stuck, the misfires, and why in god's name would it fire a 1.5 ohm juice delivery system at 6 volts? that's like asking for a battery ventilation.

No, you don't have to achieve maximum accuracy by stacking batteries. Stacking gives more power. I find single battery gives plenty of power, so that's what I use. As I said, this isn't meant for low ohms anyway. If your firing a 1.5 ohm at 6 volts you don't understand this pv.

but the biggest thing i noticed right off the bat in the review: it is NOT really stainless steel......weight doesn't lie, steel is heavier than chrome plated copper, even if it were copper plated in stainless the stainless steel version would STILL be heavier....something doesn't seem right there...it downright stinks.

Big assumption. Depends on the chrome used. Some chrome, such as cobalt chrome, is heavier than stainless steel.

 

[elmattias]

I've worked with Stainless Steel for 25 years and the Zmax I have is 304/A2 steel. Vape TV just did a review of the accuracy last week and the end statement was there wasn't a significant difference between the accuracy of the Zmax vs.the Provari. Lots of people have put the v2 Zmax through testing and found it is accurate.

You just can't go wrong with a Zmax v2. Its a nice device at a stunning price. If you purchase it from a good dealer it will have a 6 month or more warranty. Mine has 6 months of warranty and I think that's fair.

it's obviously some very thin, flimsy steel then if this is the case, as it weighs less than chrome plated copper or aluminum? if i'm not mistaken it's almost a full ounce lighter than the provari which is 100% solid stainless.

 

[Baditude]

There are two kinds of people on this forum: Those without Provari V2's and those who are kicking themselves for not getting it sooner.

Yeah, hype.

No hype about that statement. On the Provari forums, that is one of the two most common comments of new owners of a Provari.

The other one is "WOW! Just... WOW!!"

 

[elmattias]

Yes, I know he will be reviewing it. I don;t undertsand why it would need to be head to head since the provari doesn't have variable wattage. So there's a distinct advantage there.

this is the biggest flaw i found in your argument...where is the advantage? there are two numbers, one is voltage, one is wattage...they both get to the same place.....you have to go through the same steps to get to them....some juices vape better at different wattages....so you'll be adjusting one number or the other either way...and generally once you find a juice delivery you like for that particular day, you set voltage, fill your tank, and roll out....i don't recall changing the voltage on my provari any at all during the days at work....the only time i touch the feature is when i'm at home and i'm switching flavors while i'm dripping.

 

[kiwivap]

it's obviously some very thin, flimsy steel then if this is the case, as it weighs less than chrome plated copper or aluminum? if i'm not mistaken it's almost a full ounce lighter than the provari which is 100% solid stainless.

Mine is pretty sturdy. People have thrown them around and they've come up fine. I think you just want to try and knock it anyway you can. I don't care about the provari. If people want a provari they'll buy one. If they want a Zmax 2 they'll buy one.

 

[cyclotron]

Here's a better review on the accuracy across ohms - just click Google translate at the top. You don't need translate for the numbers tho:
Und sie bewegt sich doch! Zmax V2.0 RMS ist da.. » Mountain Prophet

The black numbers are for the v2.

Thanks for that link! I had seen these before from a couple of places but I had misplaced the link. I believe those numbers are as dead on as I would expect. I find it interesting that the Provari has ten times idle vampire drain of the battery over the Zmax. This is a good reason not to leave a battery in your mod if it is going to sit idle for a while.

 

[elmattias]

Mine is pretty sturdy. People have thrown them around and they've come up fine. I think you just want to try and knock it anyway you can. I don't care about the provari. If people want a provari they'll buy one. If they want a Zmax 2 they'll buy one.

i think you're reaching for a branch to grab trying to avoid facts....if it's solid stainless why is it almost a full ounce lighter when it's actually the bigger of the two mods?

 

[txtumbleweed]

I have a SS ZMax and it works great for me. I really like the VW mode best. I also like the fact I paid less for it than I did my first LT.

 

[cyclotron]

Stainless Steel is lighter than chrome coated brass. If you have some of the lower grades of SS then it might get heavier than Brass but I would suspect it is a Stainless over brass sleeve.

Density of brass: 8440-8730 kg/m^3
Density of stainless steel: 7480-8000 kg/m^3
Source: http://www.simetric.co.uk/si_metals.htm

 

[kiwivap]

this is the biggest flaw i found in your argument...where is the advantage? there are two numbers, one is voltage, one is wattage...they both get to the same place.....you have to go through the same steps to get to them....some juices vape better at different wattages....so you'll be adjusting one number or the other either way..

This is actually the biggest flaw in your argument.
Scenario 1: I change what's on top of my Zmax 2 to an accessory with different ohms with the same juice - I don't adjust anything. It vapes at the same watts I had set and adjusts for the ohms difference automatically.

You change accessories from one ohms to another with the same juice and you have to calculate the ohms and change the voltage.

I don't have to change anything, you are the one who has to click a button.

Second scenario - I change juice and accessory. I click one button for watts - that's why it's called variable wattage - you can change it. That's all I do - it adjusts atutomatically.

You change juice - you again have to calculate ohms, then set in a voltage range.

We both change accessories with that juice, back to scenario 1.

It's variable wattage - no-one ever said you have to vape at the same watts all the time. But you don't have to keep calculating ohms law with the Zmax 2.

 

[elmattias]

Thanks for that link! I had seen these before from a couple of places but I had misplaced the link. I believe those numbers are as dead on as I would expect. I find it interesting that the Provari has ten times idle vampire drain of the battery over the Zmax. This is a good reason not to leave a battery in your mod if it is going to sit idle for a while.

mine idles with a battery all day....and i still get 30 hours or so to a charge....it may have an idle drain, but the energy it actually uses is far more efficient than any other mod i have using the same batteries.

 

[kiwivap]

No hype about that statement. On the Provari forums, that is one of the two most common comments of new owners of a Provari.

The other one is "WOW! Just... WOW!!"

Oh come on Bad, the statement is hype. Two kinds of people on this forum?? "here are two kinds of people on this forum: Those without Provari V2's and those who are kicking themselves for not getting it sooner."
- this isn't a provari forum so your analogy doesn't hold up.

 

[kiwivap]

i think you're reaching for a branch to grab trying to avoid facts....if it's solid stainless why is it almost a full ounce lighter when it's actually the bigger of the two mods?

It's not "the bigger of the two mods". Where did you get that?? I actually thought at first that it looked a little smaller than my chrome v1. It certainly isn't bigger.
Like I said, you just want to knock it. You're the one intent on doing so.

 

[cyclotron]

mine idles with a battery all day....and i still get 30 hours or so to a charge....it may have an idle drain, but the energy it actually uses is far more efficient than any other mod i have using the same batteries.

The vampire drain isn't going to drain your battery in a day. My comment was intended to infer it wouldn't be a good idea to leave a battery in any mod and go on vacation. Even though the Zmax drains at a lower level it still drains. So maybe it would take the Zmax 10 times as long to destroy the battery but you really shouldn't leave the battery in.

 

[kiwivap]

Thanks for that link! I had seen these before from a couple of places but I had misplaced the link. I believe those numbers are as dead on as I would expect. I find it interesting that the Provari has ten times idle vampire drain of the battery over the Zmax. This is a good reason not to leave a battery in your mod if it is going to sit idle for a while.

Well thanks to you actually. I hadn't noticed that about the Provari. I haven't been too concerned with the Provari to be honest as I prefer variable wattage. But that is interesting to know. Ten times the idle drain is a lot.

 

[elmattias]

This is actually the biggest flaw in your argument.
Scenario 1: I change what's on top of my Zmax 2 to an accessory with different ohms with the same juice - I don't adjust anything. It vapes at the same watts I had set and adjusts for the ohms difference automatically.

You change accessories from one ohms to another with the same juice and you have to calculate the ohms and change the voltage.

I don't have to change anything, you are the one who has to click a button.

Second scenario - I change juice and accessory. I click one button for watts - that's why it's called variable wattage - you can change it. That's all I do - it adjusts atutomatically.

You change juice - you again have to calculate ohms, then set in a voltage range.

We both change accessories with that juice, back to scenario 1.

It's variable wattage - no-one ever said you have to vape at the same watts all the time. But you don't have to keep calculating ohms law with the Zmax 2.

you are misinterpreting what i say, and don't put me off as being unknowing as to what VW is and is capable of...BUT:

people get used to the juice delivery they are using, i know off hand that my 3.0 ohm HH atty at 5.5 volts is where i like to vape tobacco flavors....i know that 3.9 volts on my 2.0 ohm HH atty is where i like to vape fruit flavored juices...i would never EVER vape fruit flavors in my atty for tobacco flavors, and vice versa, would never vape tobacco juices in my fruit atty....either way, i have to switch the atty, then switch the voltage....it would be NO different from VW vs. VV in this situation, as both require an atty switch, and both would require a setting change due to liking the cooler vape with certain juices vs. a warmer vape with others, your entire argument is invalid on this principle...no matter what, attys will be changed, and settings will be adjusted at some point....both numbers eventually get to the same goal.

 

[elmattias]

Sorry double

 

[cyclotron]

I love the VW and I never touch it. I run my Zmax at 6.5 and I switch to a Vivi, a phoenix, a Rainbow, Eternity, Kanthal, NiChrome, and all my juices are great. I fiddled with it when I got it but once I found my number at 6.5 I don't touch it.

Well, that's mostly true. I do jack it up when I do a dry burn just to clean up a head. Then it is right back to 6.5 and I'm all set.

 

[kiwivap]

you are misinterpreting what i say, and don't put me off as being unknowing as to what VW is and is capable of...BUT:

people get used to the juice delivery they are using, i know off hand that my 3.0 ohm HH atty at 5.5 volts is where i like to vape tobacco flavors....i know that 3.9 volts on my 2.0 ohm HH atty is where i like to vape fruit flavored juices...i would never EVER vape fruit flavors in my atty for tobacco flavors, and vice versa, would never vape tobacco juices in my fruit atty....either way, i have to switch the atty, then switch the voltage....it would be NO different from VW vs. VV in this situation, as both require an atty switch, and both would require a setting change due to liking the cooler vape with certain juices vs. a warmer vape with others, your entire argument is invalid on this principle...no matter what, attys will be changed, and settings will be adjusted at some point....both numbers eventually get to the same goal.

Well if you stop misinterpreting what variable wattage is then we may be able to actually discuss it. I try new juices all the time - so I don't know what they vape best at. What I do know is I can change the watts without worrying about being in the wrong volts for the ohms I have. Because the Zmax2 adjusts automatically. That's one of the big reasons I like it. I also like to vape the same juice at different watts sometimes - depending on whether I feel like a cooler or warmer vape. Again I just change watts, and don"t worry about what my ohms are.

Yes, you can get to the same place your way, and if that's what you like then fine. But that's not an argument against variable wattage. That's just you.

 

[cyclotron]

Schooled? hmm.

I thought I was the one that had to explain that Stainless Steel is lighter than chrome coated brass...

Update:

Now the post has been changed to say it was a double post but its obvious that elmattias believes he has schooled you Kiwi. I'm not sure what you learned.