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You can Sell/Ship all the Nicotine you want. As long as it is in the form of an FDA Recognized Smoking Cessation Device.
No such Joy for e-Liquids and or Nicotine Base.
Well then.... I guess/hope all the nic vendors (and online vape vendors) figure out 3rd-party shipping solutions.
Best solution I can see is to use the FFL model with firearms. Would require much less capital and is just more realistic all around. Still risky until we we what happens in September with PMTAs. I have very little faith that anything good will come of that and that would make any capital investment at this juncture a total waste.
I remembered FT takes a pic of packages before shipment... so I checked my old orders and they always mark it as "Electronic Gadget" or "Electronic Parts" for customs. Would this work in the future?
I'm pretty sure FT, 3FV and other vendors from China don't give a F and will never stop shipping.
I'm pretty sure FT, 3FV and other vendors from China don't give a F and will never stop shipping.
Federal Firearms License. You buy a firearm online, it doesn't get shipped to your home. It gets shipped to a local FFL of your choice as long as they are registered with the supplier you are buying from (usually a local gun dealer be it a gun shop or someone who deals in guns/gun related equipment and has an FFL). That's where you pick it up and do the paperwork (usually a fee involved).
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Still risky. However I will say that if you pay for the USPS Expedited (which is DHL Ecommerce, ultimately delivered by USPS to you home - this is how all the other Chinese vape retailers ship), the shipping label is put over top the customs form
. The cost is usually $3-5 at FT but worth it because it seems a little faster than epacket and more reliable. But it's always a gamble.
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DHL is up in the air. However, when you use DHL ecommerce (not DHL Express or anything else), USPS is the one that ultimately delivers to the residence. Fasttech calls this "USPS Expedited". DHL merely picks it up from the US destination (broker?) then delivers to a warehouse where USPS picks it up and delivers it to you. That's one reason why it's still risky. But as I said, they all seem to put the shipping label on top of the customs form
Also, the return address is of the shipping broker in the USA, not of the store.
"FedEx and DHL are two other notable shipping companies that will also stop delivering vapor products.
DHL has already previously banned all shipments of nicotine-containing products, and FedEx was rumored to begin its vape ban on March 1. Unfortunately, it appears that the FedEx ban is already in place according to the company’s website."
UPS joins USPS, FedEx, DHL in stopping delivery of vaping products by April 5.
DHL has already previously banned all shipments of nicotine-containing products, and FedEx was rumored to begin its vape ban on March 1. Unfortunately, it appears that the FedEx ban is already in place according to the company’s website."
UPS joins USPS, FedEx, DHL in stopping delivery of vaping products by April 5.
No matter how they mark packages all it takes is reasonable cause to believe that a package contains ENDS to treat the package as nonmailable and it is subject to seizure and forfeiture. So you take your chances at losing your money, maybe more depending on the ATF enforcements.
I'm more than sure pre vape mail ban packages coming into the U.S. From China containing illegal/nonmailable good are not marked with the actual contents...just saying
it always kinda cracks me up when people say if a package is marked as something it's not it might pass through customs... LOL! And why should China give a F Or stop shipping? It's your dime there is no repercussions for them.
Looks like USPS, FedEx, UPS, DHL won't be shipping B2C and B2B:
Vape Shipping and the PACT Act: What We Know So Far - Vaping360
B2B shipping: from manufacturer to distributor to vape shop
Vaping manufacturers, distributors and brick-and-mortar retailers will face many of the same shipping challenges as online retailers. Fedex, UPS and DHL will no longer carry their packages, and the Postal Service exemption many had pinned their hopes on is probably not the answer.
Vape Shipping and the PACT Act: What We Know So Far - Vaping360
B2B shipping: from manufacturer to distributor to vape shop
Vaping manufacturers, distributors and brick-and-mortar retailers will face many of the same shipping challenges as online retailers. Fedex, UPS and DHL will no longer carry their packages, and the Postal Service exemption many had pinned their hopes on is probably not the answer.
But IIRC, there are stipulations. No more than 10 oz package and has to be shipped via expensive USPS Express.
I thought someone posted verbage in this thread, quoting directly from the Act, that said B to B was not affected.
Bruce in Ocala, Fl
It's not supposed to because as I understand it vape is supposed to be treated like tobacco/cigarettes. This is an attempt at a vape ban. Make no mistake about it.
These globalists have it out for vape. They want to eradicate it then swoop in and corner the market with it as a cessation device, possibly even by prescription. Ask Bloomberg, he'll tell you all about it.
That's why vape preppers have been saying for quite a few years now to stock up and be done with this nonesense. Unfortunately, I understand that this is not a doable scenario for those that cannot and those who have shinyitis. But we've been given years to prepare. In fact, I can't believe it's taken this long for them to take vape away from us. I mean 13+ years is a long stint.
These globalists have it out for vape. They want to eradicate it then swoop in and corner the market with it as a cessation device, possibly even by prescription. Ask Bloomberg, he'll tell you all about it.
That's why vape preppers have been saying for quite a few years now to stock up and be done with this nonesense. Unfortunately, I understand that this is not a doable scenario for those that cannot and those who have shinyitis. But we've been given years to prepare. In fact, I can't believe it's taken this long for them to take vape away from us. I mean 13+ years is a long stint.
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I honestly believe they never expected vaping to take off like it did, for it to become so mainstream or to become an effective method to stop smoking especially enough to disrupt the tobacco market and decrease smoking rates like it did. When money started disappearing out of the pockets of government and major health organizations all antz hell broke loose.
Vaping360 really does a great job of laying it all out on how B2B will be affected, including references.
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