I hope Heartland does enough b2b business to stay in business. They are only 2 hours drive from me.
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I believe they do a lot of wholesale business.
But if they have to stop doing retail business, they won't sell to you even in person as they would be required to to keep proof of you business license, U.S. Attorney General/BATFE registration and state tobacco resale license on file.
Apparently UPS's policy isn't just about domestic transport, according to Vaping 360
"'Effective April 5, 2021, UPS will not transport vaping products to, from, or within the United States due to the increased complexity to ship those products,' a company spokesperson told Vaping360 by email. The policy, which will soon leave no major shipping service willing to deliver vaping products to homes, has left online vaping retailers scrambling to find a solution."
"'Effective April 5, 2021, UPS will not transport vaping products to, from, or within the United States due to the increased complexity to ship those products,' a company spokesperson told Vaping360 by email. The policy, which will soon leave no major shipping service willing to deliver vaping products to homes, has left online vaping retailers scrambling to find a solution."
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That's if they choose to switch to strictly wholesale only. They can elect to be a retail, but not online, vendor as well if it suits their business. OKC is pretty large, and they do sell ready to vape juices. I guess they'll have to decide if it's worth it or not.
Good point, they do already offer a local pickup option...I forgot about that.
They are close to me too. I could become a bootlegger. Shady deals in dark alleys at midnight and outrunning the law on back country roads has a certain charm to it.
That's how NASCAR got its start.
They're 2 hours from me, and 3.5 hours from Dallas/Ft. Worth. I think they'd do a steady walk-in business. I mean, I'd rather have it shipped than drive that far, but it's a doable drive (all interstate) if there's no other way to get nicotine. I could stock up on PG and VG at the same time. Or I could be like @Skeebo and load up the trunk for a little side business.
The government has banned USPS only from shipping but UPS and Fedex have also decided not to ship because of increased regulations and record keeping.
Meantime if one wants to bother and thinks it is worth the time and money, there is obviously a demand for a shipping service to ship vape products - There is a demand and it is still a multi million dollar a year business, correct ?
I will bet you that some entrepreneur who likes to gamble and probably also likes to vape, will try it.
Yes, because of all the record keeping, registration hassle etc. it will become expensive and you will probably have to order say a minimum of hundred dollars at a time and I estimate you may pay fifteen dollars {or more} just for the shipping and more if taxes are applicable.
But as of now it can be done legally to shipping addresses in most states.
I would bet you there are people in the vaping business thinking about this now.
NEVER SAY NEVER !!!
Meantime if one wants to bother and thinks it is worth the time and money, there is obviously a demand for a shipping service to ship vape products - There is a demand and it is still a multi million dollar a year business, correct ?
I will bet you that some entrepreneur who likes to gamble and probably also likes to vape, will try it.
Yes, because of all the record keeping, registration hassle etc. it will become expensive and you will probably have to order say a minimum of hundred dollars at a time and I estimate you may pay fifteen dollars {or more} just for the shipping and more if taxes are applicable.
But as of now it can be done legally to shipping addresses in most states.
I would bet you there are people in the vaping business thinking about this now.
NEVER SAY NEVER !!!
Handwriting has been on the wall since 2009 when the FDA first tried to regulate vaping as a drug. So why is anyone surprised??
So stop with all the conspiracy theories already!!!!
So stop with all the conspiracy theories already!!!!
Anyone remember the dreaded DG scare???? LMAO
Remedy = get the dirty cardboard out of the mixing lab.
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The cool thing about vaping is that anytime we have found a problem, there has always been a solution.
Remedy = get the dirty cardboard out of the mixing lab.
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The cool thing about vaping is that anytime we have found a problem, there has always been a solution.
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Elvis lives in Thailand with Bruce Lee. The two of them are said to be the reason ...... costs are so high.
Have these guys been mentioned yet?
Vape Freight
Rumor has it that free markets can work, when left to their own devices.
Been absent from ECF for a while. Celebrating 10 years this month (shamless, I know). Here is the solution to the shipping imposition: Vendors do not have to claim the contents of their packages. So long as vape vendors will ship discretely, without mention of affiliation (basic return address [no branding]), the shipping services have very little concern with the contents (unless and accident occurs).
I'm fairly stocked. I will invest in another gal of nic before the deadline, but otherwise, batteries, wire, wick, flavors, PG/VG can be had. It's a shame it has come to this, though.
Don't forget this all started because of the DemonRatic states' Ponzi scheme following the 1990 tobacco settlement.
Honestly, I love being able to vape and am sad at this topic. In reality, I'm scared for the world, more, because we're all in this handbasket together. Economy is teetering. Guns are on the edge of being outlawed. Rioting over emotionally charged propaganda. Oh, and a "terrible flu" is going around. At least my soul is happy. Sorry for the off topic. God bless, y'all! I'll be around...
I'm fairly stocked. I will invest in another gal of nic before the deadline, but otherwise, batteries, wire, wick, flavors, PG/VG can be had. It's a shame it has come to this, though.
Don't forget this all started because of the DemonRatic states' Ponzi scheme following the 1990 tobacco settlement.
Honestly, I love being able to vape and am sad at this topic. In reality, I'm scared for the world, more, because we're all in this handbasket together. Economy is teetering. Guns are on the edge of being outlawed. Rioting over emotionally charged propaganda. Oh, and a "terrible flu" is going around. At least my soul is happy. Sorry for the off topic. God bless, y'all! I'll be around...
I'll go you one better - Bet on this solution:
Vape shops which have been competing with and losing to online sales will now become the middle men in online transactions.
You will copy down the description and number of what you want and give to your local shop {over the phone}, who has now set-up to do this. He will place the order for you and have it delivered to his shop where you will pick it up. He will then call you when it has arrived and you will pick it up. And in the event you can not get out and need it home delivered, for an extra charge he will bring it to your door.
Supposedly the 'control freaks' are only outlawing postal delivery because supposedly to prevent sale to minors - Since there is contact with shop owner who can verify your age, that problem is solved.
This is how I buy wine in my city - delivery driver varifies age and identity.
Now we can go back to worrying about the PMTA and what will till be left on the market to buy.
This is exactly what I assumed would happen. I have already been in contact with one of the local vape shops regarding having them order what I need. I hope they are willing to do so, rather than me being stuck using whatever they have in stock. I am happy to pay extra or buy in bulk for the service. I am also all for supporting local businesses.
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What you all are suggesting is that online retailers can become no or low MOQ wholesalers for local vape shops to buy one-offs. That may or may not work. Prices will be significantly higher than ordering store stock. Low and no MOQ wholesale prices are right under retail prices then you shipping cost then you have to mark that up.
The local delivery idea will still be subject to the same regulations and punishments as the big carriers and will likely not be a viable option for a small outfit as it would be a huge liability to take on. If UPS and Fedex aren't willing to do it, why would Val's Vape Emporium take on such a liability (unless val has a terrible lawyer or no legal counsel at all)?
The local delivery idea will still be subject to the same regulations and punishments as the big carriers and will likely not be a viable option for a small outfit as it would be a huge liability to take on. If UPS and Fedex aren't willing to do it, why would Val's Vape Emporium take on such a liability (unless val has a terrible lawyer or no legal counsel at all)?
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