US shipping cutoff dates - USPS, Fedex & UPS

[YoursTruli]

I understand the argument that some people have limited or no access to local vape shops. However, if online vape stores will be a thing of the past, that means there will be a higher demand for local vape shops. Therefore new ones will pop up.

However this may not happen on a wide scale before we see how the PMTAs pan out. Would be a big risk to go in business right now now knowing what's going to happen in September.

You are way more optimistic than I am and I hope you are right.
I see the opposite, vaping suddenly becomes way more difficult to do, way more expensive with way less choices, less people will continue vaping or for sure ever start vaping, history has proven this. Just taxes, flavor bans and fake antz news alone have taken a serious toll on the established. An estimated 11.9 million in 2019 to 9.8 in 2020 with BT reporting an increase in sales of almost 5%.
Now on top of all that add no shipping of vape products, across state line reporting for taxation, deeming regs... Maybe convenient store Juul WILL be the last man standing even though they report a declined from 1.9 billion in 2019 to 1.1 billion (same time period) last year while cigarette smoking (Altrial) reports no decline in sales. Given the expense and lack of flavors how many will switch from smoking to vaping tobacco and menthol flavors....

 

[Katya]

USPS to Publish Proposed Rule Implementing VapeMail Ban on Friday 2/19/21

Public Inspection: Treatment of E-Cigarettes in the Mail

So, if I'm reading this correctly, we now only have 30 days from the date of publication (Feb. 19) and not until April 26th?

 

[Katya]

I believe it was based on the weight of a carton of cigarettes

This is so stoopid. Who makes those rules? Are they all insane? Do they have any idea what they are regulating and how much a regular mod weighs?

We need to find another shipper...

Instacart, perhaps? Doordash? Uber?

 

[JCinFLA]

As bad as these new restrictions will be, at least we can legally mail products among ourselves in limited quantities.

There are more stipulations (further down in that document) explaining the additional requirements for applying the exception that you quoted below:

"Certain Individuals — Infrequent, lightweight shipments mailed by age-verified adult individuals. Mailers must provide proof of legal age, and each shipment must bear the sender’s and recipient’s full name and address. Shipments may not weigh more than 10 ounces and are limited to 10 mailings in any 30-day period."

Those packages have to be marked with specific language on the outside of the package regarding the "exception", have to be sent by Express Mail (which is ridiculously priced), and will only be mailed with the stipulation to "Hold for Pickup". Person picking the package up must go to the PO and see a clerk. That clerk will need proof of identity to verify that the person IS who the package was addressed to, and that he/she is of legal age...before releasing it to that person.

 

[zoiDman]

So, if I'm reading this correctly, we now only have 30 days from the date of publication (Feb. 19) and not until April 26th?

Doesn't Sound like it.

Effective Date of Eventual Final Rule Particularities here merit a brief discussion of the timing of the eventual final rule, in the interest of providing stakeholders with advance information. Section 603(a) of the Act requires the Postal Service “promulgate regulations to clarify the applicability of the prohibition on mailing of cigarettes” to ENDS not later than 120 days after enactment (i.e., April 26, 2021). Section 603(b) provides that the prohibition will apply to mailings of ENDS “on and after” the publication date of the final rule. In specifying this immediate effective date, Congress expressly abrogated the standard 30-day notice period for a final rule under the Administrative Procedure Act (APA), which would otherwise apply to rulemakings concerning the mailability statute here. 5 U.S.C. 553(d), 559; 39 U.S.C. 3001(m). To the extent that this rulemaking concerns not only the mailing prohibition referenced in the Act, but also the application of exemptions from that prohibition, the APA permits those aspects of the eventual final rule likewise to take effect with less than 30 days’ notice (e.g., immediately upon publication). 5 U.S.C. 553(d)(1).

https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2021-03393.pdf

"Congress expressly abrogated the standard 30-day notice period for a final rule under the Administrative Procedure Act (APA)"

Abrogated, GMAFB. Sounds like someone got a Word of the Day Calendar for Christmas.

 

[JCinFLA]

Maybe I'm reading the following wrong, but it sounds like to me that the standard/usual 30 days doesn't apply, because Congress abrogated it (nullified it).

In specifying this immediate effective date, Congress expressly abrogated the standard 30-day notice period for a final rule under the Administrative Procedure Act (APA), which would otherwise apply to rulemakings concerning the mailability statute here. 5 U.S.C. 553(d), 559; 39 U.S.C. 3001(m). To the extent that this rulemaking concerns not only the mailing prohibition referenced in the Act, but also the application of exemptions from that prohibition, the APA permits those aspects of the eventual final rule likewise to take effect with less than 30 days’ notice (e.g., immediately upon publication)

 

[Katya]

There are more stipulations (further down in that document) explaining the additional requirements for applying the exception that you quoted below:

"Certain Individuals — Infrequent, lightweight shipments mailed by age-verified adult individuals. Mailers must provide proof of legal age, and each shipment must bear the sender’s and recipient’s full name and address. Shipments may not weigh more than 10 ounces and are limited to 10 mailings in any 30-day period."

Those packages have to be marked with specific language on the outside of the package regarding the "exception", have to be sent by Express Mail (which is ridiculously priced), and will only be mailed with the stipulation to "Hold for Pickup". Person picking the package up must go to the PO and see a clerk. That clerk will need proof of identity to verify that the person IS who the package was addressed to, and that he/she is of legal age...before releasing it to that person.

Right. Exorbitant shipping prices ($30+), mandatory trip to a crowded post office during the pandemic, and public humiliation. Screw the seniors and rural folk. Way to go, dear government!

 

[Katya]

Maybe I'm reading the following wrong, but it sounds like to me that the standard/usual 30 days doesn't apply, because Congress abrogated it (nullified it).

I give up.

@kristin Does CASAA know anything about that USPS final shipping cutoff date?

 

[zoiDman]

Maybe I'm reading the following wrong, but it sounds like to me that the standard/usual 30 days doesn't apply, because Congress abrogated it (nullified it).

That's how I'm Reading it also.

 

[zoiDman]

Maybe I'm reading the following wrong, but it sounds like to me that the standard/usual 30 days doesn't apply, because Congress abrogated it (nullified it).

I see Now why you said that.

I Fat Fingered my Original Post.

 

[Katya]

Maybe I'm reading the following wrong, but it sounds like to me that the standard/usual 30 days doesn't apply, because Congress abrogated it (nullified it).

But that just means that they don't have to follow the 30-day rule. But they still can if they want to. The only date they can't change is the 120 days after the the bill's passage. Isn't that right?

 

[zoiDman]

But that just means that they don't have to follow the 30-day rule. But they still can if they want to. The only date they can't change is the 120 days after the the bill's passage. Isn't that right?

The "No Later than 120 Days" is Unchanged. And they now have a Rule Set ready for Publication.

So things could Mover Very Quickly from here on out.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Well I made 2 orders from Fasttech over the CNY holiday thinking I have a chance at them getting here before last week of April. Between restocks and the CNY backlog, I doubt they will ship before 10 days from today, and I doubt they will get delivered before 30 days from tomorrow. But I'm not cancelling them. I'm crazy like that.

 

[Katya]

The "No Later than 120 Days" is Unchanged. And they now have a Rule Set ready for Publication.

So things could Mover Very Quickly from here on out.

That's my understanding as well. But what do I know.

And I'm off to finish my last minute online shopping.

 

[Katya]

Well I made 2 orders from Fasttech over the CNY holiday thinking I have a chance at them getting here before last week of April. Between restocks and the CNY backlog, I doubt they will ship before 10 days from today, and I doubt they will get delivered before 30 days from tomorrow. But I'm not cancelling them. I'm crazy like that.

I do believe that it's the shipping date that matters, but who knows? Good luck!

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Heartland was closed yesterday due to the weather and I have no idea if they reopened today. I say get you nic orders with them in ASAP if you were going to make an order with them. My last order shipped via USPS.

 

[zoiDman]

That's my understanding as well. But what do I know.

And I'm off to finish my last minute online shopping.

If there are things You still want to buy, I would Buy Them TONIGHT.

 

[Katya]

If there are things You still want to buy, I would Buy Them TONIGHT.

That's the plan.

 

[wvducklady]

Well I made 2 orders from Fasttech over the CNY holiday thinking I have a chance at them getting here before last week of April. Between restocks and the CNY backlog, I doubt they will ship before 10 days from today, and I doubt they will get delivered before 30 days from tomorrow.

But I'm not cancelling them. I'm crazy like that.

Yea! [emoji12]

 

[YoursTruli]

Well I made 2 orders from Fasttech over the CNY holiday thinking I have a chance at them getting here before last week of April. Between restocks and the CNY backlog, I doubt they will ship before 10 days from today, and I doubt they will get delivered before 30 days from tomorrow. But I'm not cancelling them. I'm crazy like that.

Same here. My orders "say" they will ship the 27th but... Worse that can happen is what? It wasn't anything I desperately needed more of wanted.