USA E-Liquid
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I don't know but DeKang is perhaps the best of the eliquids along with Wang and guess where they are made??? As for US makers of juice, check Dawns store I am under the impression that they make their own flavors.
There are two sources for US made juice right now, as far as I know. Johnson Creek and Vermont Vapor. As far as Chinese source quality, my guess that the ingredients of smoke juice are about as cheap as anything else they could use as a substitute, so there is no financial incentive to 'substitute' dangerous things. In addition, these juices are fairly constantly being analyzed by one organization or another, even individual users, for various reasons, so my guess is that they're pretty safe. IMO
The only for-sure U.S.-made (as opposed to U.S.-mixed from possibly foreign-sourced materials) liquid I know of is Johnson Creek, which I do like. They have a good web site, so you can poke around, and there's a flavor sampler you can buy to see what you like. Their return policy is the best I've seen.
I've tried Johnson Creek and DID NOT like it. Every flavor I tried had a burnt taste to it. Maybe I got a bad batch or something but I was extremely disappointed.
It can be a love-it-or-hate-it thing. I've also noticed that more people complain about the "burned taste" when they use it in 510s or other models known for higher temperatures and worse taste. The good news is, though, JC's return policy makes it completely non-risk, because apparently they'll take back opened (even empty) bottles and refund your money, including all shipping.
About the substitution thing: I believe one prevailing opinion is that that's exactly what happened to lead to diethylene glycol showing up in one of the carts the FDA tested.
As for the testing, there's no regulation, so there's no guarantee of testing. You should buy from manufacturers you trust to do their own testing and source their materials from reputable suppliers. For the most part I trust Johnson Creek and Intellicig (U.K. makers of ECOpure)-- both companies have at least some testing results available for download. I'm not saying those are the only companies whose products I'll use (I'm vaping mostly Decadent Vapours these days), but those are the two I feel most comfortable with about safety, etc.
Johnson Creek is the only one I know of that is for-sure Made in the USA.
Go to the Vapure forum and they will answer any question you have, plus they have a 100% satisfaction guarantee. I recently received my order and this is some of the best e-liquid I have tried, especially the JC Original.
Go to the Vapure forum and they will answer any question you have, plus they have a 100% satisfaction guarantee. I recently received my order and this is some of the best e-liquid I have tried, especially the JC Original.
I can't back this up with any references, but I read somewhere that diethylene glycol is one of the constituents in tobacco leaf introduced during curing or packaging or something. It would follow that if they're using tobacco essence as the nicotine source, it would carry over to some extent. I also read that although they found it in detectable levels, in that one cartridge, it was below the quantifiable limit, and thus below the level where it would pose any reasonable health risk on a common sense level.
I was also trying to buy from US/UK made sources, but I find I don't like their flavors (personal opinion) much, so I re-thought about just how much risk I was taking and changed my mind. YMMV.
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I love the JC Original. I've found that if I mix in about 1/4 ECOpure Gold (I'd use Rich but it hasn't arrived yet) the vapor increases dramatically without much altering or thinning out the flavor.
so then, one should safely assume that they want to put dangerous toxins in their e-juice so they could just kill off all their consumers, right?
that's a pretty strong marketing plan.
According to the FDA, it was approximately 1%, which I consider significant-- it's not like some of the other things the FDA detected in parts per billion, for example. It may not be enough to harm anybody (I don't know), but it's not just a microscopic trace amount, either.
In poking around, I've seen people speculate that its presence indicates the use of non-pharmaceutical-grade PG in the liquid, which would make sense. And that's exactly the sort of cost-cutting measure I'd be concerned about.
I take much the same stand-- though I do like many of the Johnson Creek flavors, I wanted more variety and so I took a calculated risk on Decadent Vapours. I'm quite happy so far.
That's a pretty huge leap of logic, from "low quality control standards" to "they want to put dangerous toxins in their e-juice" to kill their customers.
It's a fact that we've seen a few instances in recent years in which products imported from China were made with cheaper, but more dangerous, ingredients-- lead paint on toys (I had to ship back my daughter's train set after a recall), diethylene glycol in toothpaste, etc. It's not unreasonable to be concerned that similar cost-cutting measures may affect the quality of e-liquid whose provenance is suspect. I'm not saying Dekang is doing it, but honestly, I don't find myself inclined to put my full trust in generic liquids that ship in prefilled starter-kit carts, for instance.
There is some controversy over this approximation. The report does not appear to list the LOD for DEG, nor does it list the LOQ or the method used to obtain it. The only reference to quantification is in the text of the report, not in the actual test results table.
That's certainly so, but I don't believe that the FDA is outright lying, simply because that's not their style. Everything in that report was spun to make e-cigs look dangerous, of course, but the basis behind the spin was for the most part true, e.g. yes, e-liquid contains nitrosamines, but they don't mention in the press release just how low those levels are. If they say the level of DEG was "approximately 1%," I believe it was at least 0.5%, which, again, I consider significant, if not necessarily dangerous.
That report was a piece of work, wasn't it? The omissions and obfuscations were just blatant, but of course all most people will ever hear is the scare-tactic news reports based on the FDA press release. I worked at a medical device company for almost nine years and had more than my fill of the FDA in that capacity.
This is absolutely correct, and hits the nail right smack on the head.
Those here that have defended the FDA should think again.
There was a clear agenda here, and the FDA scored big time with their propaganda.
And the media, wow, they should hang their head in shame, swallowing it hook, line, and sinker.
No investigation or critical thought involved in what they reported.
I have become ashamed at what has become of truth and reality.
Trusting those that tell me how to think and what to believe.
I guess I was naive for my entire life.
That's a pretty huge leap of logic, from "low quality control standards" to "they want to put dangerous toxins in their e-juice" to kill their customers.
It's a fact that we've seen a few instances in recent years in which products imported from China were made with cheaper, but more dangerous, ingredients-- lead paint on toys (I had to ship back my daughter's train set after a recall), diethylene glycol in toothpaste, etc. It's not unreasonable to be concerned that similar cost-cutting measures may affect the quality of e-liquid whose provenance is suspect. I'm not saying Dekang is doing it, but honestly, I don't find myself inclined to put my full trust in generic liquids that ship in prefilled starter-kit carts, for instance.
sure i guess.
it's just getting really annoying that everyone has to throw that in there, when China is responsible for starting all of this, and they've been doing it since 2004. that and i'm sure they don't like being stereotyped and insulted in every thread about their e-liquid.
just suggesting some common courtesy when referring to our Chinese brothers that are responsible for our habits.
try nhaler for USA made juice/high voltage juice. His juices are by far the best I've tried!!!
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