USAF issues warning based on FDA test findings!

[Kansas Fan]

Greeeeeat...I wonder what kind of impact this is going to have on the other branches of service! As of right now, I use my ecig pretty openly in our office, but with THIS garbage in the works, I'm now going to be fighting a REAL UPHILL BATTLE!

Okay, so I don;t have enough posts in my count to post the link. It is on Military dot com, and I'll post the link further down this thread.

 

[Kansas Fan]

I have no clue where this line of events is going to lead, but am VERY perturbed by the possibilities of being driven back to analogs by oppressive, big government and their regulatory ........!

 

[Kansas Fan]

Here's the link, as promised!

Military Report - AF Warnings on E-Cigs

 

[100thMonkey]

There is some white paper being passed down with all of this. I continually see the following sentence: "One sample of an e-cig tested by the Food and Drug Administration contained diethylene glycol, a toxic chemical used in antifreeze."

 

[Vocalek]

There is some white paper being passed down with all of this. I continually see the following sentence: "One sample of an e-cig tested by the Food and Drug Administration contained diethylene glycol, a toxic chemical used in antifreeze."

Classic Propaganda technique:
Propaganda Techniques

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Name Calling:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Name calling occurs often in politics and wartime scenarios, but very seldom in advertising. It is another of the seven main techniques designated by the Institute for Propaganda Analysis. It is the use of derogatory language or words that carry a negative connotation when describing an enemy. The propaganda attempts to arouse prejudice among the public by labeling the target something that the public dislikes. Often, name calling is employed using sarcasm and ridicule, and shows up often in political cartoons or writings. When examining name calling propaganda, we should attempt to separate our feelings about the name and our feelings about the actual idea or proposal.[/FONT]

1. Diethylene glycol, in this context, is more properly characterized as a "tobacco humectant" (a chemical added to tobacco to keep it moist. But "tobacco humectant" would not have conjured up mental images of people gagging and dropping dead on the floor from antifreeze poisoning.
2. "The dose makes the poison". Many things are toxic in large doses. You could say that caffeine is a toxic chemical "harmful to human heatlh."
3. Obviously the dose, in this case, was too small to be "toxic". Had the amount of DEG actually been harmful, the FDA would have (joyfully) instituted a recall of the Smoking Everywhere cartridges on shelves in kiosks across the country and in the SE warehouse.

 

[Vocalek]

There is a long thread (60 replies) that was started several weeks ago when the AF Surgeon General first distributed his memo.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-surgeon-general-lays-ground-work-af-ban.html

 

[Vocalek]

Anther propaganda technique is "Card Stacking"

Card stacking:

Card stacking, or selective omission, is one of the seven techniques identified by the IPA, or Institute for Propaganda Analysis. It involves only presenting information that is positive to an idea or proposal and omitting information contrary to it. Card stacking is used in almost all forms of propaganda, and is extremely effective in convincing the public. Although the majority of information presented by the card stacking approach is true, it is dangerous because it omits important information. The best way to deal with card stacking is to get more information.

When the FDA said that they found "carcinogens" in some of the cartridges, the FDA wanted people to think that E-cigarettes are just as likely--if not even more likely--to cause cancer than continuing to inhale smoke.

The information they left out was the miniscule quantity of carcinogens (Tobacco-specific Nitrosamines) and a comparison to other products that contain nicotine.

E-cigarette liquid - 8 nanograms / gram
Nicoderm patch - 8 nanograms / patch
Nicorette gum (each 4 mg. piece) - 2 nanograms
Marlboro full-flavor (1 pack) 126,000 nanograms

 

[Reyth]

Hahah, following Mrs. V's posts can get you a real education fast! XD

 

[Vocalek]

You can download a tri-fold brochure "The Facts about Electronic Cigarettes" from the CASAA web site:

http://www.casaa.org/files/CASAA-Ecig-TriFold-Brochure.pdf

You might want to take a look at the other information offered: CASAA | The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-Free Alternatives Association

 

[Reyth]

That brochure is teh r0x0r! Great for my landlady who is googling around and getting a large mix of strange ideas...

 

[Vocalek]

Oh, and another document you might want to print for reference is the CASAA Position statement:

http://www.casaa.org/files/CASAA Position Statement.pdf

The CASAA document was written in response to a "Policy Guidance Document" being circulated by the "Alphabet Soup Gang" as we call them: The American Lung Association, The American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network, The American Heart Association, and Campaign for Tobacco-free Kids. Their policy document is filled with propaganda and contains very liittle in the way of verifiable facts. http://www.lungoregon.org/tobacco/pdf_word_doc/Policy_Guidance_on_E-Cigarettes_4-7-10 (2).pdf

 

[kristin]

the "Alphabet Soup Gang" as we call them

I keep telling you, Elaine, that sounds too cutsey and makes them seem harmless!

I call them the "Axis of Evil!!!"

 

[superfrog]

What gets me is of all the services, the Air Force. I've got Navy Docs asking me more about them, looking at possibly ENDORSING them at the local clinic. Seeing all of the live threatening activities within the services (and the battlefield is only one, just living on a ship is another), I would figure the services would EMBRACE any device that has added health benifits.

Hell, I remember a couple of years ago when the Navy said that it would be completely smoke free by 2000. Now, we are banning smoking on our subs. I remember when I joined and went to my first ship in the early 90's, smoking like a champ and playing cards on the Mess Decks. 20 years later, I can see a bit of a comeback, but with PV's instead.

 

[VicTweezy]

Sorry to Necro post... But new relevant information. On the Air Force Portal there is new "News" story again re-enforcing the dangers of E-Cigs. Again it's pushing how one cart contained what they call "a chemical found in Anti-Freeze" It's really like they want me to just keep smoking.

 

[Vocalek]

All the cartridges contain a chemical contained in antifreeze. It also comes out of the tap in your kitchen sink. It's dihydrogen monoxide (H20).

The FDA selected the word "antifreeze" carefully with the intention of creating a sense of fear and loathing in the reader. They could just as easily (and more truthfully) described it as follows:

"diethylene glycol, a tobacco humectant that can be toxic in larger quantities."

Diethylene glycol is used in the manufacture of unsaturated polyester resins, polyurethanes and plasticizers. It is a water-soluble liquid; boiling point 245 C; soluble in many organic solvents. It is used as a humectant in the tobacco industry and in the treatment of corks, glue, paper and cellophane.

Diethylene Glycol (DEG)

 

[justboringsarah]

The warning isn't going much good considering the 3 people I've converted have all been active duty Air Force

 

[Bustastew]

AF members send General Green an email (get chain of command permission lol) and ask him to support the ecig as a viable alternative to smoking! If we dont let our Surgeon General know how we feel he will keep pushing out what ever the FDA tells him.