What the average of vodka or water used in recipes knowing that vodka and water are less thick that PG? For example, to make a juice similar to 70/30 without PG.
Using water or vodka in recipes
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Hmm... good question. I look forward to a difinitive answer too. I do know that a very little water goes a long way. As in a few drops in a 30ml bottle. I have no exact answer though
why not try a calculation..
dynamic viscosity of water: 1 mPA at 20°C
dynamic viscosity of propane-1,2-diol (PG): 46 mPA at 20°C
that should mean that you can substitute each 1% of PG you would use in a VGPG mixture with 1/46% of water to get the same overall viscosity. not a lot. but it does match my own observations.
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dynamic viscosity of glycerine (VG): 1480 mPA at 20°C
given this huge value, the effects of substituting PG for water should be rather small.
dynamic viscosity of water: 1 mPA at 20°C
dynamic viscosity of propane-1,2-diol (PG): 46 mPA at 20°C
that should mean that you can substitute each 1% of PG you would use in a VGPG mixture with 1/46% of water to get the same overall viscosity. not a lot. but it does match my own observations.
sidenote
dynamic viscosity of glycerine (VG): 1480 mPA at 20°C
given this huge value, the effects of substituting PG for water should be rather small.
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Unflavoured VG/DW I use 7 to 11% DW.
If I use flavours I generally add 5% DW and then adjust up until it wicks right and the vaper production is still good but not too much. I dont make the flavours for myself, I make them for others and depend on their feedback for their personal preference. Seems like around 7% is what they are happy with.
I think 10% is about right for me in unflavoured but the last lot I made was 11% and that 1% makes a big difference
If I use flavours I generally add 5% DW and then adjust up until it wicks right and the vaper production is still good but not too much. I dont make the flavours for myself, I make them for others and depend on their feedback for their personal preference. Seems like around 7% is what they are happy with.
I think 10% is about right for me in unflavoured but the last lot I made was 11% and that 1% makes a big difference
It's easy to test whether or not you have added too much water:
Blow the vapor straight upwards, and if you feel cold water droplets raining down on your lips, you know it was too much
Blow the vapor straight upwards, and if you feel cold water droplets raining down on your lips, you know it was too much
Just a small technical thing - viscosity doesn't really add up like that. In fluid dynamics approximation formulas are used where for each component of a mix a "viscosity mix number" is calculated (often ln() is involved), then those are added in proportion (by mass or volume) and finally from the result the viscosity of the mix is calculated (by reversing the "mix number" step). That's how it's done for eg oil mixes.
And don't forget viscosity will change with temperature so whatever you calculate at 20°C won't stay there when you heat it up, meaning if it matches the viscosity of PG at 20°C it most likely won't near or in the coil any more.
Best to just try out what works best in your atomizer.
In my experience alcohol is more effective than water at making VG runny so you can use much less of it for about the same effect.
And don't forget viscosity will change with temperature so whatever you calculate at 20°C won't stay there when you heat it up, meaning if it matches the viscosity of PG at 20°C it most likely won't near or in the coil any more.
Best to just try out what works best in your atomizer.
In my experience alcohol is more effective than water at making VG runny so you can use much less of it for about the same effect.
Who's gonna stop you? Putin? 
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There's a product here called "Mischers Base" or similar ("mixer's base") that has alcohol already in it, they advertise it by saying you need much less flavor for the same flavor... if you get what I mean
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There's a product here called "Mischers Base" or similar ("mixer's base") that has alcohol already in it, they advertise it by saying you need much less flavor for the same flavor... if you get what I mean
It makes things really runny really fast. It also seems to vape quite hot to me. If you put enough of it in it unsurprisingly behaves like vaporized alcohol, which can be bad depending on the situation.
Do you mean funny? Cause I'm highly interested in this one
. Also, Is it safe to vape? How do I do it? Just add it and let the liquid breathe?
Another factor worth considering is that water has a lower vaporization point than VG or PG. This might lead to some spitback. I have no evidence of this but I thought it was a possibility when it was suggested to me. Vodka is on average 60% water.
Bit off topic but why is there not a lot of cocktail flavoured e-juices? There’s rum flavours, coke flavours but no rum and coke flavour. A hint of orange to a sweet bourbon flavour could make a great Old Fashioned. And who doesn’t like an Orange Whip?? (Fresh OJ, Rum, Vodka, Triple Sec, Heavy Cream and crushed ice)
I am not a bartender or a professional mixologist by any means, but love mixing cocktails and have created a few original concoctions. Might have to give this DIY juice making a try.
I am not a bartender or a professional mixologist by any means, but love mixing cocktails and have created a few original concoctions. Might have to give this DIY juice making a try.
For my main base I use 6% distilled water. PG comes from salts and flavors only. My juice generally ends up vaping like 75-80vg juice. If I go higher with dw I get crackling which annoys me but no spit back until around 9-10% dw. PEG400 works well to replace pg, available at Nicotine River for a decent price.
Yes, viscosity and boiling point are two different things. If you use above 10% distilled water you will get a sort of unfortunate watery vape experience that isn't great. I might start with less even like 3 or 5%
I have used vodka in my mixes but kind of halted the practice (same with DW) I am pg sensitive so I was quite close to 90% VG and I vape MTL. So distilled water was helpful in lowering the temp of my vape. I did not get any weird sensations using vodka, it's just that if you use vodka in mix, you will taste it pretty heavily. I occasionally will use Vodka if I think it will be GOOD (and not much at all) but if you use vodka all the time, it ends up becoming flavormix 1 with vodka, flavor 2 plus vodka, flavor mix 17 plus vodka, it just all kind of winds up tasting the same, etc.
good luck with your experiments.
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I have used vodka in my mixes but kind of halted the practice (same with DW) I am pg sensitive so I was quite close to 90% VG and I vape MTL. So distilled water was helpful in lowering the temp of my vape. I did not get any weird sensations using vodka, it's just that if you use vodka in mix, you will taste it pretty heavily. I occasionally will use Vodka if I think it will be GOOD (and not much at all) but if you use vodka all the time, it ends up becoming flavormix 1 with vodka, flavor 2 plus vodka, flavor mix 17 plus vodka, it just all kind of winds up tasting the same, etc.
good luck with your experiments.
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