v v, now v v + vw; where will it end ?

[terry w]

As the title says,where will it all end.It started so simple (didn`t it)??? Anyway,the point i am trying to put across is this.You start out nice and simple with a fixed 3.7 volt.great,then you move into variable voltage.brilliant,and then comes along not just v v but v v with variable wattage,???.what difference can this make to a decent vape off a decent v v device..
Any thought`s guys and gals.

 

[kiwivap]

Well there are plenty of recent threads that have discussed this a lot. In brief, its a matter of preference. VW is more convenient. As one person posted, its like having cruise control.

Variable watts is not new. Variable wattage has been around for quite a while now. The Darwin is a variable wattage mod. However they are virtually impossible to get. A lot of vapers added variable wattage to their pvs by using the Kick - a small piece of circuitry that can be put on top of a battery. Having variable volts and variable watts on the same pv is new tho.

For myself, I prefer variable wattage over variable voltage because I can switch from one accessory to another and stay at the same watts. Or I can adjust watts and not worry about calculating whether the volts are ok with the ohms - the device adjusts the volts automatically to the right level.

I can also adjust watts with different juices, and again not worry about volts and ohms being mismatched since it adjusts the volts automatically. Since I have a lot of different juices this works well for me. Sometimes I just change the watts with the same juice - depending whether I want it a little cooler, or I feel like getting the warmer taste. I like some juices at more than one temperature. So I adjust the watts, which is the power, with a simple click or two and vape.

I think this is an exciting time to be a vaper - there are new things coming out to try and we have a lot of variety. The new eVic is is causing a bit of buzz because as well as having vv/vw it has software functions as well.

 

[RPadTV]

I agree with kiwivap. I prefer vw or vv. It's just more convenient. Vaping is relatively new and improvements are happening all the time. I welcome them and don't see them as something to complain about. Besides, if you're happy on a fixed 3.7-volt device then it doesn't matter.

 

[terry w]

I am not complaining at all, just trying to find out what vw is all about.And kiwi is doing a far better job of explaining that to me,than you are.

 

[RPadTV]

I am not complaining at all, just trying to find out what vw is all about.And kiwi is doing a far better job of explaining that to me,than you are.

No need to get testy. Your original post sounded more like a rant than someone looking for information. There have been lots of extensive posts on the benefits of VW, so that information is easy to find. Good luck to you.

 

[Baditude]

I am not complaining at all, just trying to find out what vw is all about.And kiwi is doing a far better job of explaining that to me,than you are.

As the title says,where will it all end?

There will always be a search for methods of a better vape experience. I happen to believe that the next best thing will be in the juice delivery system. I'd like to see the development of a juice injection system where e-liquid is automatically injected to the heating coil, perhaps something along the line of fuel injection for a automobile. It could be user adjusted for more or less juice delivery, but would be precisely accurate under the control of a microprocessor.

 

[kiwivap]

I was looking for your post Bad...



Edit: oh you added something now...

 

[terry w]

No not a rant,a simple Question...(why vw over vv).I have been vaping on and off since 2005,when e cigs were 1st introduced to the uk.So to me it is logical to keep up,with the current trends.

 

[kiwivap]

Its hard to keep up isn't it - as the number of vapers increases so do the developments it seems. Its not really vw over vv if both are on the same device. Its vw over vv as a preference for me when using it tho.
That's one thing I really like about having both on one pv - people can use one of them or use both. Win-win I think. I switch to the vv when doing dry burns. I just have a volt number in my head for that. For vaping I use the VW.

 

[terry w]

cheers kiwi,i will look around this forum for a bit more info,but your input is appreciated.The reason i asked in the first place was that i am thinking of moving up from v v to v v/v w,and i wanted to know a little more about v/w.I was not being critical of the fixed volt system as that is what i started with,and still use when i am out and about.so what you are basicaly saying is that,with v/w you dont have to worry when you switch different ohm carts tanks etc because with v w it will recognise the ohm`s for you.?

 

[kiwivap]

cheers kiwi,i will look around this forum for a bit more info,but your input is appreciated.The reason i asked in the first place was that i am thinking of moving up from v v to v v/v w,and i wanted to know a little more about v/w.I was not being critical of the fixed volt system as that is what i started with,and still use when i am out and about.so what you are basicaly saying is that,with v/w you dont have to worry when you switch different ohm carts tanks etc because with v w it will recognise the ohm`s for you.?

Hi Terry - Yes. The device recognises the ohms and adjusts the voltage automatically, and keeps at the same watts. If you want to use vv mode the device will also give you an ohms read out. So you can just swap attachments in vw and it will adjust the volts automatically, or use vv and read what ohms your using, and make the voltage adjustment. Using vw is easier.

Devices will have a limit to what ohms they go down to - they will cut off at say 1.2 ohms. If you like vaping with very low resistance coils then it pays to check the device limit. I wouldn't use 1.4 ohm coils on a device that cuts off at 1.2 ohms, for example.

 

[Adam the Aussie]

Where will it end? No idea, but I know where it's going, check out Janty's new offering:

Mid Series

8 volts, 25 watts, program your preferred vaping style by plugging your PV into your computer, joystick control...

 

[Butters78]

Where will it end? No idea, but I know where it's going, check out Janty's new offering:

Mid Series

8 volts, 25 watts, program your preferred vaping style by plugging your PV into your computer, joystick control...

Bells and whistles. Makes something simple a bit too complicated to me.

Stacked batteries? Come on..

 

[zapped]

There will always be a search for methods of a better vape experience. I happen to believe that the next best thing will be in the juice delivery system. I'd like to see the development of a juice injection system where e-liquid is automatically injected to the heating coil, perhaps something along the line of fuel injection for a automobile. It could be user adjusted for more or less juice delivery, but would be precisely accurate under the control of a microprocessor.

I was thinking along the same lines this morning at work.Id like to see a juice delivery system that atomizes the liquid before it hits the atomizer.Kinda like spraying mist on a hot surface. Should provide LOADS of vapor and flavor that way.

 

[flintlock62]

It doesn't end. Most of it is gimmickry. I'm guilty of getting the hype too. I will be getting a Joyetech eVic, but it's at a really cheap price, at least.

As the title says,where will it all end.It started so simple (didn`t it)??? Anyway,the point i am trying to put across is this.You start out nice and simple with a fixed 3.7 volt.great,then you move into variable voltage.brilliant,and then comes along not just v v but v v with variable wattage,???.what difference can this make to a decent vape off a decent v v device..
Any thought`s guys and gals.

 

[Adam the Aussie]

Bells and whistles. Makes something simple a bit too complicated to me.

Stacked batteries? Come on..

Bet they sell truckloads.

 

[DizGrizz]

The big prob I see with the with the new Janty is the proprietary batts (not so much the stack).

Where will it end... well, let's look at, say, cars for example. First there was an engine and a seat. Then they added lights, then breaks (that worked), then dampened suspension,...flat-tread tires...FM radio...radial tires...rack and pinion steering, multi-point suspension,...power steering and power breaks...GPS, surround sound, automatic parking...

It will never end. Some bright fellow or gal somewhere will always be coming up with some new idea. Some will be gimmicks and some will be "game changers". At least, I hope so

 

[Plumes.91]

...until the monopolies on car makes, and oil corporations stopped alternative fuel exploration
thats what I'm worried about with e-cigs. not UGH, they are getting too complicated, but UGH, Philip Morris and the FDA forced my favorite juice companies to shut down and now I'm using a Blu and nicorette tobacco water to get my vape on... great.

 

[DizGrizz]

Of what alternative fuel exploration do you speak?

 

[six]

I look at it a little bit differently. VW and VV are the same thing as far as I'm concerned. The important word for either of them is "variable".

Indeed, the devices called 'VW' read the ohms of the coil you are using and automatically adjust based on whatever watt number you decided to give it... That is a handy option for some folks.

It's handier with the devices that are harder to adjust than it is for the devices that are easy to adjust. The Kick is harder to adjust than the Darwin, for instance. -- I'm really not certain how many people actually change coils really often. I would think it's less likely for Darwin users than Kick users because the Darwin really isn't very tank friendly, so swapping tanks on and off all day probably doesn't happen. Maybe a few people change cartos a few times a day, but I still find it strange that as many people as I've read saying that they go from LR to SR to HR cartos several times a day are doing what they say they are doing. I don't really know why anyone would. --- But kicked devices, on the other hand, make more sense that the feature of the device reading the coils ohms and adjusting accordingly would be nice. Most (not all, but definitely most) kicked devices are tank friendly tube mods. I can see people swapping tanks a few times a day for flavor changes.

Why I say VV and VW are the same is just the simple fact that they are each a formula in ohms law. VW automatically sets your preferred watts by reading the coils ohms. P=e squared divided by R is volts = power divided by resistance. that's how VV does it. --- How VW does it is E = Square Root of (P x R). Both of those formulas belong to the same law.

For a straight VV device, I am changing the watts by changing the voltage. In a straight VW device, I am starting with a given (the ohms) and have another given - the watts I desire. At the end of the day, the variable portions are the watts and varying those watts requres varying the amount of electricity being used. . They are the same as far as how they deliver the actual electricity to the circuit. One of them just makes a decision on behalf of the user to generate it's thermal output.

Back to the idea I mentioned of "Variable" being the key word no matter how you want to discuss these devices. I don't suppose it matters all that much which word comes after "Variable" no matter if it is watts or voltage. If you are actually going to turn the dial now and then and actually vary the amount of electricity the coil is being fed, you are indeed adjusting the watts. When you choose a number for watts ahead of time you still end up changing the voltage to achieve the goal of whatever watts it is you wanted to produce. It's just done for you with certain devices.