V4L and Volt KR808D-1 battery chargers? Will I void warranties?

[saberhead]

hey everyone!
I read somewhere here a bit ago that someone got a Vapor4Life battery and charged it on the Volt USB charger (or vice versa). I guess something happened and the battery malfunctioned from then on out, as in...it totally stopped working?

When said person called to return battery under warranty the company said it was void under warranty because they used a charger not by them.

I thought all kr808s are the same and compatible with each other? Im considering buying a neat short Diamond tip led battery from V4L but the only charger I have is for the Volt. Should I not use the battery charger meant for the Volt? I totally thought they were the same thing??
Anyone use various companies 808 chargers for different brands with no problems??

 

[Morandir835]

Saberhead (sir or Ms.?) give me a bit and will test a king diamond batt on a volt charger. Have charged the volt batt and a number of other gen 2 batts on v4l chargers, but not vice versa...

 

[saberhead]

Miss
That would be awesome! Thank you so much.
I wish I could find the person that wrote this but it worried me a bit for other users too who only have lets say one charger for one company and are getting a battery from another company. Youd think they would work on each other, but perhaps not all KR808D-1 chargers are created equal? Would be great to know. I dont know why that company said they couldnt return it. I guess if you tell them you screwed a battery on a different companies charger that void warranty!
As a physics major, how do you screw up the same type of battery on another companies charger? How would that even work?

*Electromagnetism was my worst class, cant you tell? Im more of a theorist *

 

[Morandir835]

Ms. Saberhead it's because they're technically not the same batts. V4l batts are gen 1 (unregulated, 8-21 second cut off depending on the maker, king diamond and stealth batts are 19-21 second cut off) and gen 2 (regulated to around 3.6v, 5-6 second cut offs, higher mah than gen 1). Those slight differences can be why the issue exists. Charging a kd on one as we speak, will let you know the results.

 

[Morandir835]

Ms. Saberhead it just finished charging, the batt works, but can see how it could kill a kd. It came off the charger at 4.31v off load. That's .06v higher than it would from a v4l charger. Would not suggest using a volt charger. Had I left it on longer or overnight could have easily killed it...

 

[saberhead]

Ms. Saberhead it just finished charging, the batt works, but can see how it could kill a kd. It came off the charger at 4.31v off load. That's .06v higher than it would from a v4l charger. Would not suggest using a volt charger. Had I left it on longer or overnight could have easily killed it...

Omg amazing! Thanks so much for telling me I could have easily made a mistake and messed up my diamond king! Or needlessly broke it! Everyone should know!

Perhaps I could make this a blog or something so others could see? It would be so annoying to ruin a batt from a misleading, yet Im sure, very common idea..

 

[Morandir835]

No problem Ms. Saberhead.

 

[amnizu]

I've charged 4 different brands of 808 batteries on 3 different brands of charger and haven't had an issue, though I don't have a multimeter or anything to quantify the volts and whatnot. All I know is that they continue to work pretty darn well in spite of playing musical chargers with them.

 

[Morandir835]

Amnizu (sir or Ms.?) overcharging can lead to long term problems, you may not notice it yet but when your battery only lasts say 100-150 chargers (possibly less) instead of the usual 220-300+, or one comes off the charger dead, then you will. All the gen 1 chargers work perfectly fine with every gen 2 batt I've tested so far, it's the gen 2 chargers that have issues with some of the gen 1 batts (especially the king diamond and stealth series from v4l).

 

[amnizu]

All the chargers I have output the same voltage (4.2v) though they charge at different rates; 140mA, 150mA, 200mA. Surely I'm not killing my batteries that quickly? Plus I monitor them very closely while charging as neither the batteries nor the chargers have a voltage cutoff once charging has finished.

 

[Morandir835]

No matter what the listed voltage output is, the internal resistance of the batt is comes into play Amnizu. The gen 2 batts use a different cell than the gen 1. The king diamond and stealth series use a different than both, it's why V4l brought out the slim line charger. The older chargers would over charge them if left on too long. The slim line will put them at 4.25v off load even if left on for 8 hours. It's like using a pila charger on an imr and on a protected batt. The protected batt will come off around 4.18 +/- .01v, the imr will come off at 4.21v +/- .01v. Same charger, different chemistry on the batts....

 

[Kemosabe]

how about USB to wall outlet converters?
i use the usb converter from my cell phone to charge my batts sometimes. i also have another converter from an old gameboy that i use.

i believe all my batts and chargers are gen 2, as i only purchased them less than a montha go. ive got Bloog, Volt, and V2 batts. Ive got V2 and bloog chargers, and a v2 wall adapter.

i dont understand how to interpret the input/output voltage and mah of the charger and adapter. please help.

 

[Morandir835]

Kemosabe (sir or Ms.?) the outlet to usb converter doesn't matter actually. It's the output from the charger itself that comes into play. For example, if you use a 5.0v/2.1a wall adapter, but the charger only outputs 4.2v/180ma it's only going to put out the 4.2v/180ma.

 

[Kemosabe]

sir.

thanks for your help. im glad to know that the outlet converter doesnt matter.

my Bloog charger puts out 5v 150 mah (volt is the same per their website).
the V2 puts out 4.2v 200mah.

i wonder if interchanging them would affect the battery. i havent done it, but i think my girlfriend does with hers.

how about the input of the chargers? what do those values signify?

 

[Morandir835]

Kemosabe sir using a gen 2 batt on any gen 2 charger is fine. I've used halo, volt, blog, and smoov batts all on the same charger without problems. Never had an issue with them either on any gen 1 charger. Gen 1 batts are a completely different case though.

As for the input differences, all that matters is if you're using either a wall outlet with enough power for an non usb charger (trust me that will never be an issue if the building/outlet has power), or if the usb port has enough amps to power it. All usb ports put out 5v (within the fault tolerance range) amperage though varies. Usb 2.0 ports usually output 800ma, can be higher or lower. Usually you won't have an issue charging an ecig with a usb port though. The bigger problem comes from usb hubs. If they're powered usb hubs usually they have 2000ma (2amps) of power to spilt between ports. If you're using a 7 port hub, and trying to run 7 chargers at once that need 300ma you'll be a hundred ma short. Other than that the input voltage shouldn't really be an issue.

 

[Kemosabe]

awesome. thanks again. im pretty sure my volt and bloog batts are gen 2.

but its possible that my V2 batt (manual) is gen1 as it starts out with more power at a full charge, then gradually loses it as the charge diminishes. i dont have a way of testing it, but the vapor (amount and flavor, maybe even temperature) is much different during the beginning and end of its cycle.

 

[Morandir835]

Kemosabe sir bloog and volt are gen 2, V2's are gen 1.

 

[Kemosabe]

excellent. makes sense.

 

[heatherina]

There is one more thing I would like to ask, Morandir sir. I have both V4L and Volt chargers. V4l output is 4.2V - 200 mA and the Volt is 5V - 150 mA. I am trying to understand what those numbers mean. Will charging the Volt batteries on my V4L chargers in any way damage or shorten their life. I notice the Volt charger charges the batteries faster. TIA

 

[Morandir835]

Ms. Heatherina get about the same use between charges from a volt batt on a v4l charger as I do on it's own. On the v4l slim line charger get 172 minute avg (over ten charges) using a 3.1ohm horizontal coil carto, get 174min avg (over 10 charges again) on the volt usb charger. The volt charger does indeed charge it faster though.