V4L vs Joye 510!
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If you're going to buy some pre-filled carts for the 510, consider looking at the pre-filled 901 carts instead. Rob at Vaporkings has quite a selection.... and they fit the 510 very well.
As a net result you can get a "cartomizer like" experience from the 510.
As a net result you can get a "cartomizer like" experience from the 510.
One of the differences I appreciate between the KR8 and the 510 is how long the carts last, or rather how much liquid they'll effectively hold and have available for use.
In a KR8 cartomizer, I can fit just over 20 drops of liquid (or up to 30 using various techniques, with almost 0% chance of leaking). The 510 can do maybe 8, with what some consider to be tedious mods to fit an extra 2-4 drops. And being honest, how much fiddling/modding do some people want to do before getting frustrated with leaks?
I certainly don't begrudge someone for liking what they like. As much as my tastes and preferences have changed in the past 3-4 weeks while vaping, I can easily see why each ecig model has it's fans.
Not trying to fan any flames, just trying to add to the conversation...
In a KR8 cartomizer, I can fit just over 20 drops of liquid (or up to 30 using various techniques, with almost 0% chance of leaking). The 510 can do maybe 8, with what some consider to be tedious mods to fit an extra 2-4 drops. And being honest, how much fiddling/modding do some people want to do before getting frustrated with leaks?
I certainly don't begrudge someone for liking what they like. As much as my tastes and preferences have changed in the past 3-4 weeks while vaping, I can easily see why each ecig model has it's fans.
Not trying to fan any flames, just trying to add to the conversation...
Exactly why can't people just pull out the cart from a 510 and put a new, filled one in? Does not sound like much more work than putting a new cartomizer into a KR8, either.
It's not that you "can't" change flavors with a 510 (or any other 3-piece), it's that the old flavor is still in the atomizer. At least for me, it took at least one cart full of juice before the old flavor was gone and I got nothing but the new one. Some flavors just don't mix well.
With a 2-piece, you're also changing the atomizer when you put a new carto on, so there is no "mixing" in the atty.
I'd have to say, I haven't tried a VK, but since switching to 901 attys on pretty much everything I use, I'll probably never go back to my 510's. Everything through the 510 atty now taste like cardboard. It's hard to differenciate the subtleties in my juices with them.
If VK cartomizers are anything like my beloved 901's, I may have to give them a try.
If VK cartomizers are anything like my beloved 901's, I may have to give them a try.
I believe the general consensus is that any KR8 delivers better flavor and more throat hit.
Of course, V4L is my vendor of choice for many reasons.
Of course, V4L is my vendor of choice for many reasons.
If you're talking about the 901.. then I don't agree with that one at all. I find the vaping experience of the 901 to be virtually identical to that of the KR808D-1 (wiht the same liquid). And for good reason, they have virtually identical wattage characteristics.
Hu? What do you use for refilling? I can get 15+ easily into a 510 cart, with a flval/staw mod that takes less than a minute to make. (And then lasts me a week or so; the filling, that is, not the liquid).
Besides, I could not help noticing: With the 510, it's "what some consider to be tedious mods", with KR8s it's "various techniques". I dunno, but some may consider that slightly biased
Ah! Well see, I never tried a 901 so I didn't know that. Thanks for the correction.
Yeah... that's why I mentioned earlier that I don't understand why people would take the 901 over the KR808D-1. Virtually identical vaping experience in my opinion.. with the big convenience nod going to the KR8.
I understand the 510... not the 901.
I agree the 901 has better smoother flavor than the 510 with more than enough vapor. My first experience with cartomizers was after buying a 510/901-808 adapter. I get double the battery life out of my 510's using carto's. I love having the best of all three choices. I love the carto's filled with my own juice although I recently had a very nice generous lady send me some V4L carto's that I must say had very good taste and plenty of vapor. I also prefer the flavor of carto's on a PT (also sent to me from that lovely lady)I keep reading the arguments of 510 v the 808, whats the big deal it's all a matter of personal preference! I love all three and switch back and forth between them depending on my mood or preference of flavor in one or the other. Bottom line the comparison should be PV's vs analogs which one wins that argument (maybe not always argument but just opinion). Just my .02 and as always happy vaping!
Hu? What do you use for refilling? I can get 15+ easily into a 510 cart, with a flval/staw mod that takes less than a minute to make. (And then lasts me a week or so; the filling, that is, not the liquid).
Besides, I could not help noticing: With the 510, it's "what some consider to be tedious mods", with KR8s it's "various techniques". I dunno, but some may consider that slightly biased
Noticed that too. And I actually like playing around with mods. But I like trying different things. And I really did like Windoze a lot better after it came out with plug and play. (No - I'm not showing my age real age there. Talk C64 or even Sinclair kits and we're a bit closer.
)The biggest mod I've ever seen for the KR8 is someone using a whistle tip or a condom with a hole in it for the mouth piece. There really isn't much to mod. And even those do not have to be done to make it work at top efficiency, its a "mod" because they want a different shape/feel of the tip or they refill often instead of just giving it a total refill.
The KR8 is ready to go right out of the box, and if you buy from V4L they send batteries already charged so put on that cartomizer and vape happy!
The KR8 is ready to go right out of the box, and if you buy from V4L they send batteries already charged so put on that cartomizer and vape happy!
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Hu? What do you use for refilling? I can get 15+ easily into a 510 cart, with a flval/staw mod that takes less than a minute to make. (And then lasts me a week or so; the filling, that is, not the liquid).
Besides, I could not help noticing: With the 510, it's "what some consider to be tedious mods", with KR8s it's "various techniques". I dunno, but some may consider that slightly biased
FWIW - I took the numbers from ProfessorDaffy's Auto Drip Mod post. He cited the 8 drops as standard, with 2-4 extra using the mod. Obviously YMMV, just quoting someone I knew had more experience than I did.
And was my response biased? Of course it was. If you'd rather me call it "the plunger method" (using a cart condom to force the juice down to the bottom of the cart) instead of "various techniques", then so be it
But after dealing with a 3pc, I made the move to a 2pc and find it to be more convenient.But hey, I'm not here twisting your arm. It's cliche, but true: Like what you want to like. There's room and equipment for everyone to enjoy as they wish.
Noticed that too. And I actually like playing around with mods. But I like trying different things. And I really did like Windoze a lot better after it came out with plug and play. (No - I'm not showing my age real age there. Talk C64 or even Sinclair kits and we're a bit closer.
I'm a modder at heart too. Bought the original XBOX the day a real mod for it was released. Configured everything just the way I wanted, and didn't really touch it after that. Basically just wanted something to mess around with.
Figured I wouldn't mind it when it came to ecigs, but I did. Funny thing about the nicotine demon - it wanted what it wanted and didnt want to wait for me to figure out the exact length to cut the paper clip/straw/stir stick, or to figure out the exact shape to cut the fish tank filter. Direct dripping wasn't too bad, but with a long drive to/from work, wasn't gonna work out long term.
Well, I do guess you can make the exact shapes and measurements of mods into an art form. I never bothered, though. My straw is measured by putting it into the cart and then clipping, and my Fluval gets cut into an approximately cart-sized bit, ripped in half, and stuffed into the card.
Mathematically speaking, they may be more precise solutions. This one works for me.
As for the number of drops: Well, one has to measure those with the same juice and the same tools, I'd say. Otherwise, obviously, the results can very easily be screwed. So, does the dropper you use gives you about 8 and 20 drops respectively? Or does somebody's dropper give them 8, and your's gives you 20? Minor difference here, you know.
I think I should just order one of the plastic burners. I'll either stand corrected, or I'll have at least a 380mAh battery to show off with. And maybe a comment to make, or two …
Mathematically speaking, they may be more precise solutions. This one works for me.
As for the number of drops: Well, one has to measure those with the same juice and the same tools, I'd say. Otherwise, obviously, the results can very easily be screwed. So, does the dropper you use gives you about 8 and 20 drops respectively? Or does somebody's dropper give them 8, and your's gives you 20? Minor difference here, you know.
I think I should just order one of the plastic burners. I'll either stand corrected, or I'll have at least a 380mAh battery to show off with. And maybe a comment to make, or two …
Yes, order a plastic burner and let everyone know what you think about it. That will be more constructive than trolling about drop measurement...
Well, I do guess you can make the exact shapes and measurements of mods into an art form. I never bothered, though. My straw is measured by putting it into the cart and then clipping, and my Fluval gets cut into an approximately cart-sized bit, ripped in half, and stuffed into the card.
Mathematically speaking, they may be more precise solutions. This one works for me.
As for the number of drops: Well, one has to measure those with the same juice and the same tools, I'd say. Otherwise, obviously, the results can very easily be screwed. So, does the dropper you use gives you about 8 and 20 drops respectively? Or does somebody's dropper give them 8, and your's gives you 20? Minor difference here, you know.
I think I should just order one of the plastic burners. I'll either stand corrected, or I'll have at least a 380mAh battery to show off with. And maybe a comment to make, or two
AlexTM, I have both models now and I gotta say I don't completely agree with you but I don't disagree either..
They're both pretty good and different experiences..
While I do find myself reaching for my 510 more often the KR8 does win in battery life and capacity and quick changing when you're "dry"
I think the learning curve on a KR8 is steeper in knowing when you have the vapor drop off so you can switch before you burn a cart and at first is more agrivating unless you're chain vaping wondering "was that the vapor drop off? is it time to switch cartos now?"..for me, I find the feel of the button on a KR8 manual to "feel" cheaper as well so it's a little less consistent and get more misfires..
Flavor is a weird thing...depending on what type of flavor it is (even the same juice) tastes totally different...some taste better on one than the other and vice versa and it seems that my KR8 is becoming more and more exclusively menthol (with the exception of a tobacco flavor from another supplier in a blank...everything else has seemed purfumy or more chemical in taste....IMO) but as far as all the menthols I've tried it's tops on the KR8..
So...would I pick up a KR8 again if I had to do it all over again..yeah probably...but I was also more of a social and hobbyist smoker to begin with and wanted to try a bunch of different stuff, I enjoyed it and that has transitioned with me..it very well could be different for those that are just looking for that one single model to just get them off the analogs and save money and do less damage to their health..
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