V4L vs Joye 510!
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I started out with the DSE801. Never ever leaked. With a drop of VG, plumes of smoke that was unbelievable. Then I got the M401. Didn't like it, too wimpy. Got a PT from V4L along with some cartoz just to see what the hoopla was about and liked that a lot so I got some more flavors and batteries. Back to the M401, started dipping.. oh my goodness. Plumes as big as the 801 and a very decent TH. Now I alternate between my 401 and KR8 mostly.
But today I took out my 801 since all batteries were charging. Goodness, forgot what a decent PV it is. I'm still pleased with it. The 510 I never had a desire to try.
I have the generic KR808D-1 as well as the VaporKing. The VK is a better unit IMHO. There's a noticable difference between the two I think.
But today I took out my 801 since all batteries were charging. Goodness, forgot what a decent PV it is. I'm still pleased with it. The 510 I never had a desire to try.
I have the generic KR808D-1 as well as the VaporKing. The VK is a better unit IMHO. There's a noticable difference between the two I think.
I already experience this one when I compare my 510 atties to my 901 atties. With most flavours, I find it does not matter much, but some are noticeable better one one or the other. The Parma Violet in particular does not taste very well in a 510, it needs some Vanilla as a sort of buffer. In my 901, now, it's candy. Most tobacco tastes I like better in the 510.
And @milky: I dunno, but you were the one who compared incompareable drop measures. I just pointed that out. Let's leave it to the readers who's trolling here, shall we?
Sounds like those of you who have the 510 etc like the hobby or rituals that go along with it. Or maybe its the control. But for me the VKs ease of use, ability to still drip and make flavors and combos, the price, the convinience, excellent customer service, the fact the supplier is like fam or old friend that I can contact here or by phone (or for me take a drive to see. I know some of you are jealous!), the other products that V4L offers etc etc is exactly the experience I was looking for and needed to help me get and stay analog free! Dont get me wrong I am not knocking anyone for their choice or preference. As Taryn said use whatever works and happy vaping!
Actually, I like my 510 for its convenience and usefulness, which does not require me to develop anything like "rituals". Ease of use, price, same here. And well, flavours and combos, where exactly can't you make use of those? Don't think there are many on the market where you can't.
If the KR8 had any real difference that I can see, I might see the point here. But a lot of comments just sound decidedly odd.
If the KR8 had any real difference that I can see, I might see the point here. But a lot of comments just sound decidedly odd.
No.. not really. At least not for me personally. If the VK could give me the same vaping experience as the 510 I would drop the 510 like a ton of bricks.
Recent advancements are getting the VK closer and closer though.....
With respect to the whole "drops" thing. I believe it was Leaford who said that a completely dry KR808D-1 carto will hole 1ml of liquid (someone please correct me if I'm full of it). A flat 510 cart with NO FILLER will hold just a bit over .4ml. If you add filler to the 510, that number of course goes down.
So... um... well.. nuff said, eh?
So... um... well.. nuff said, eh?
1ml sounds about right for a carto. Leaford had mentioned that they had started filling cartos with 1ml, as opposed to the .75ml that was being used prior to him heading to China.
Just checked on 510 carts - oddly enough, the round cart held less than the flat one, 0,6ml vs. 0.5ml. The factory filling (which you can usually half with no ill effects) substracts less than one ml from that capacity.
I'll check what I can get into a KR8 cart as soon as they are here; I ordered empty ones.
I'll check what I can get into a KR8 cart as soon as they are here; I ordered empty ones.
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I had my first opportunity to try a 510 today, a friend came over that has been using one for a few months so we sat down and compared.
He was amazed at how much better the VK tasted and how easy it was to use, while I was happily vaping away he was dripping, refilling and messing around. When I wanted to change a flavor I just screwed on a new carto while he had to change to dripping and then wait for the old flavor to burn off before tasting the new one.
He did manage to produce more vapor, most of the time. But I had consistent vapor and enough to make me grin.
Even using the same juices the VK won on flavor by a long shot.
He should be ordering soon! Thank you everyone on this forum for helping me choose the right ecig for me the very first time. If I had to start with a 510 I'd have probably given up on vaping long ago.
Taryn
Thank you for your words of words of wisdom. I actually found a 510 with the extra long battery;s I am thinking of carrying as well. Please, tell me your opinion. I would be able to sell CHEAP, should I
Steve
New member here...
Just wanted to drop my 2 cents in. I just started with e-cigs about 2 weeks ago. I did some research and decided to go with greensmoke...after the short battery dieing on me and the crappy cut off times not to mention the short battery life I started getting disheartened. Started to look around to find a better e-cig. After hearing on these forums about the V4L I placed an order for the big kit with all the goodies. I LOVE THIS THING. The passthrough rocks!
One thing I do miss is the volume of vapor I got with the greensmoke. I hear if I try some VG based liquid it should get close to greensmoke quantities...for that matter I have been hearing about these greencig carts and hear they are great for KR808D-1. Is that true? If so where can I try some from? Also I have to say I may be in the minority but I really dislike the flavor in the V4L carts. I like tobacco taste but theirs suck imo. I ordered some Winston 36mg from freedom smokes and I love that stuff but is have to force myself to vap the ones I have now dry so I can refill them with my winston juice. Makes me feel like I'm smoking a real cig. Which is what I need now to quit. Anyway I'll stop rambaling for now. Later all and happy vapin'!
Just wanted to drop my 2 cents in. I just started with e-cigs about 2 weeks ago. I did some research and decided to go with greensmoke...after the short battery dieing on me and the crappy cut off times not to mention the short battery life I started getting disheartened. Started to look around to find a better e-cig. After hearing on these forums about the V4L I placed an order for the big kit with all the goodies. I LOVE THIS THING. The passthrough rocks! One thing I do miss is the volume of vapor I got with the greensmoke. I hear if I try some VG based liquid it should get close to greensmoke quantities...for that matter I have been hearing about these greencig carts and hear they are great for KR808D-1. Is that true? If so where can I try some from? Also I have to say I may be in the minority but I really dislike the flavor in the V4L carts. I like tobacco taste but theirs suck imo. I ordered some Winston 36mg from freedom smokes and I love that stuff but is have to force myself to vap the ones I have now dry so I can refill them with my winston juice. Makes me feel like I'm smoking a real cig. Which is what I need now to quit. Anyway I'll stop rambaling for now. Later all and happy vapin'!
Taryn
Thank you for your words of words of wisdom. I actually found a 510 with the extra long battery;s I am thinking of carrying as well. Please, tell me your opinion. I would be able to sell CHEAP, should I
Steve
Hi, I know your reply was addressed to Tyran, but I thought I would chime in. I have never personally used the 510, but every thing I have read in this forum helped me decide on the VK. The modifications are endless, and some are extreme. Then, as Tyran mentioned there's the dripping process which seems to be somewhat of a standard practice. I chose the VK to avoid all of that. So, my suggestion is, no. Why include something to your inventory that is less convenient and less practical in the long run. You have a solid product that with battery tweeks and juice additions is blowing by the competetion. Realizing that not one product, or supplier is going to meet the needs of all e-cig users. For whatever reason people are choosing to swithch to V4L you can devote your energy in making it the "one" that satisfies most e-cig users. * wrote a thread on my pass-thru making my cartomizers taste burnt. Maybe the incrased battery voltage would cause a similar effect with your cartomizers as well. It may sacrifice your cartomizer reputation as well*
That's my 2 cent. But, I'm not a business woman or in sales... Enough said.
i ordered a greensmoke package and return it after cus the stupid battery life and the flavor sux balls...then i order a 510 .. stupid filling and liquid keep drippin in my mouth so i throw it in the trash can. I found this forum and decided to try the VK and god daym im happy w/ it.
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Taryn
Thank you for your words of words of wisdom. I actually found a 510 with the extra long battery;s I am thinking of carrying as well. Please, tell me your opinion. I would be able to sell CHEAP, should I
Steve
That's a tough question, it is nice to be able to offer more options for people. But are you trying to become a full service Vape shop or specialty shop? I choose V4L because I feel you offer a higher quality and a better warantee, would this be true of the 510 you would carry? Would it distract from the exclusive products you are developing?
I'm sure if you did carry it, it would sell. Not to me though, I'm in love with my VK. But other people have different needs and priorities. You'll have to figure that one out on your own Steve, but either way I love you!!
kr8 and 510 are the most popular,but 901s are more compatable.Even some diehard V4Lers might like to try a 901 atty just for the 3 piece experience.Plus they could be used on that mod everyone is talking about.
I so agree. At some point it becomes more and more difficult to maintain the quality and the uniqueness of the VK if you are trying to to everything for everybody. You can't be all things to all people and be good at most if any. I had thought about suggesting a 50/50 mix of PG and VG to get the best of both worlds, but with the selection V4L has now, could you imagine the potential for inventory issues among others. At some point you need to pick something to specialize in and that's where V4L thrives and succeeds.
My comments exclude the potential for things like the VK-1, VK-2 or VK-3 should they come to pass.
The 510 sounds like a nightmare. I can't figure out why so many people love it. A longer battery life would solve only one of the frequently-cited problems. There's also the small carts that need constant refilling, the problem with mouthfuls of juice (yech!) and the filling in the cart that so many users need to mod to make it work.
If you could address all of those issues, I'd probably buy one. Then again, the VK doesn't have any of those problems and I already have that one!
If you could address all of those issues, I'd probably buy one. Then again, the VK doesn't have any of those problems and I already have that one!
I'll keep this short. I use/have experience with both. Pm me if you want my opinion.
Keyzygirl makes a very good point in bringing up the compatability between the 901 and the KR8...the atomizers both heat to similar temperatures so flavors are very similar which would give people the ability to try your juice flavors without filing a cartomizer full or ordering an entire box of prefilled cartos to find out they don't like a particular flavor...Also in the fact that the 510 and the KR8 are the 2 most popular stock models at the moment..
Really the 510 is no more of a nitemare than the VK..yes the stock battery life is kinda crap...but actually no more so than the VK shortie batteries (they're both rated at the same mAh)...refilling carts versus refilling cartos is about the same (yes the poly filling in the 510 carts sucks, but is easily and quickly replaced)..and juice in the mouth is user error I've heard people experience it with the VK too..overfilling a cart or carto and sucking too hard will result in that in either model..
Steve,
I've both a 510 and a VK...after using both I have to say that while I like both as both are unique experiences (as the same juice tastes different depending on model) I still find myself reaching for my 510 more often than the VK..that being said if it were me I would NOT carry the 510...there are so many other suppliers carrying them that I just don't see it being real profitable..and as someone else put here's where you have to choose to specialize or not...
That being said if you were going to carry a 510 type model, what I would do is take a serious look at obtaining a V4L version of the eGo...janty designed it but it's released OEM for others to pick up... right now only they and TW are carrying it..650 mAh battery, sleek design, easy adapter to put a cartomizer on it...and getting killer reviews on performance as far as battery delivering consistant vape from beginning to end of a battery, thats lasting average of 7+ hours per charge..
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