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Here's an update. Sorry for the delay, too much going on IRL.

Extract has been sitting with a turn or two of the jar (mostly) daily for 21 days. 3 rounds of heat to 120 degrees F. Ambient room temp 85 degrees F.

When tongue tasting, the Vanilla flavor is very present. There is a distinct woody flavor that tells me using just the seed scraping would have been a better route...not offensive, just not the pure Vanilla I'm after. The nose is Vanilla, woody and a slight hit of Chocolate.

I mixed a 50/50 no nic base with 10% then 33% extract.
I did a quick zap to blow the alcohol off, but there is still some water in solution.
Tasted in a 1.3 ohm single coil dripper on Rayon. 7 to 25 watts.

The 10% sample was pretty void of Vanilla flavor. So I upped it to 33% (that's just how it calculated out bringing my sample back up to 2 ml)

The Vanilla was present but weak with a solid woody overtone. My initial thought was that the flavor profile would work in a tobacco vape...Bakery, not so much.

I did take a .5 ml sample and blew the alcohol off and tasted that. I can now say I know what vaping water is like...:ohmy: no vapor production and pretty much no flavor (nothing there to carry the flavor).

So, I'll let this go another 9 days to the full 30 day mark and check it again.

PGA is a really effective solvent, speedy. I am curious what a cold PGA extraction would produce. My only real issue right now is the woodiness. When pay day rolls around I'll pick up some sugar free paste or caviar and give that a whirl.
 

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???? I followed the rest of it, but you lost me there. And to echo Stacy1, thanks for the update.

There are commercial products available, Vanilla Paste and Vanilla Caviar that are the seeds, removed from the pods. The price is substantially higher than whole beans and I'm sure there is some nuance lost. However, I believe when using ethanol as a solvent, those products may produce the cleanest Vanilla flavor. I'm trying to shift my thinking out of culinary terms.

Sorry to shortcut my thoughts. Sometimes only part of the brain wave makes it to the keyboard! :D
 
There are commercial products available, Vanilla Paste and Vanilla Caviar that are the seeds, removed from the pods. The price is substantially higher than whole beans and I'm sure there is some nuance lost. However, I believe when using ethanol as a solvent, those products may produce the cleanest Vanilla flavor. I'm trying to shift my thinking out of culinary terms.

Sorry to shortcut my thoughts. Sometimes only part of the brain wave makes it to the keyboard! :D

Caused me to contemplate what it would be like to vape caviar; not a pretty thought.
 

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I would think the paste or the caviar would make some good vanilla. Probably a PITA to clean up but I bet it would be good

Found out that Vanilla seeds are only .3 mm or 300 microns so maybe a 1 micron filter is too much! We only need to remove the seeds...
 

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Found out that Vanilla seeds are only .3 mm or 300 microns so maybe a 1 micron filter is too much! We only need to remove the seeds...

It's been stated that the alcohol "breaks down" plant matter of the beans. I don't know if thats breaking down the seeds smaller than what they are in their natural state or if its breaking down the hull. Someone posted about making vanilla though and using a 2.5 micron filter still felt it needed to be filtered more. That post is what led to me inquiring on the one micron
 

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It's been stated that the alcohol "breaks down" plant matter of the beans. I don't know if thats breaking down the seeds smaller than what they are in their natural state or if its breaking down the hull. Someone posted about making vanilla though and using a 2.5 micron filter still felt it needed to be filtered more. That post is what led to me inquiring on the one micron

Gotcha....
 

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Shrimp and chili juice just doesn't sound like a good vape to me. Would be a damn good snack though:D

I can't even vape cinnamon let alone chili! sick.gif
 

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I'm a newbie and have been looking into making my own fluids. I love this thread!!! Thank you for the updates. I look forward to the final results :)

I had some Vanilla Beans laying around at work and decided to run a trial on them.

Below (circa 2002) is from Nielsen-Massey, a major supplier of Vanilla products to the Food and Beverage industry.
"From Nielsen-Massey:
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I LOVE Nielsen-Massey. I found them when I Googled Vanilla Caviar to flavor homemade yogurt without alcohol to kill the probiotics.

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One other thing I will say about Vanilla Extraction that I have learned is that Everclear is not a good solvent for Vanilla.
Is it that Everclear is a pure grain alcohol and PGA has a lousy flavor? Or is it that the proof is too strong?
Have you considered Spirytus? It is the same proof (+/- 1-2 proof) as Everclear, but it's a vodka as opposed to a PGA. I use Spirytus when I make room sprays with essential oils. I've never used it, or PGA, to extract EO's from herbs or vanilla. Also, I've heard that Spirytus makes kick .... jello shots :D I would be careful doing that though.

There are commercial products available, Vanilla Paste and Vanilla Caviar that are the seeds, removed from the pods. The price is substantially higher than whole beans and I'm sure there is some nuance lost. However, I believe when using ethanol as a solvent, those products may produce the cleanest Vanilla flavor. I'm trying to shift my thinking out of culinary terms.
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Be sure to read the ingredients on the pastes and caviars. A lot/most are made with sugar and sugar products. I think the sugar would gunk up your coils. I did find a vanilla paste/caviar recipe, I think on the food network or allrecipes or some such Googled search result. It didn't look too hard to make. I ended up buying it because it was going in yogurt is sugar okay for that ;)
Have you considered using VG as opposed to PG? Or, is this just not done? (I haven't perused the threads enough to know yet. Yours is the second thread I've read in DIY)
Have you done a cost analysis?
Thank you so much for taking us along on your journey and doing the work. :thumb: :thumbs: :thumb:
 

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Poked around the steeping extraction today.

Lost about 25 ml of solution, ethanol is not playing nicely with the rubber on my Ball jars.
Topped up with 25 ml of PG as that will be the final resting place for the extract. New ring and seal for the Ball jar.
Very rich Vanilla smell. There is still a predominant woody odor as well, but the Vanilla is more forward now.

Going to continue to allow this to steep!

@misu
I used whole Vanilla beans that I chopped and then macerated in ethanol (100 proof Vodka). I used 100 proof so the math is easier throughout the process. Everclear is not a good choice for Vanilla (per conversations with other Chef's) as it leaves an alcohol flavor that you can't get rid of.

Ethanol is TOO efficient at extracting flavor from the beans because it pulls the Vanilla flavinoids out (Good!) but it also pulls the woody flavors from the pod itself (Bad!). IF I am able to get an extract that is strong enough to use, chances are that I will only be able to use it in a Tobacco vape where the woody aroma may compliment or be covered by the Tobacco.

If I had used PG (as Stacy is doing) using the whole bean wouldn't have been an issue as PG is a bit less efficient at extracting flavors. Alternatively, I should have scraped all the beans and then used my ethanol for the extraction. Live and Learn :)

When I get a chance down the road, I'll try this again without the pods.

As far as cost analysis, I've got about 10 bucks in it for the Vodka and 75 ml of PG so far. The beans were free...don't have any idea what this might yield until I do the filtration and evaporation.
 
Mines going pretty decent too. Still have my 6 beans that I slit open and submerged into an 8oz bottle of pg. the pg is getting nice and dark now. It's been almost two months in there with an occasional heat steep. Has a nice taste to it, I'm sure it's gonna be good in a couple more months. I can't wait to try it.
 
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Thanks for the updates. This is something I find interesting, at least, and hope at least one of you gets something that encourages me to give it a shot eventually.

At the very least, that's the idea. Thanks for finding it interesting! I enjoy a good chase to the end.:)
 
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