'Vape' bans have little do do with public health
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Absolutely, I'd have no issue with that.
Many folks, however, do.
Remember the uproar among vapers when Starbucks banned vaping inside and out? It was a perfectly logical business decision for them to make, but people wanted to boycott Starbucks (and other places) for doing so.
We can't have it both ways. If we want businesses to make the decision then we should accept those decisions or else businesses will want it taken out of their hands - and encourage government control.
They only want businesses to have the power of choice as long as they make the 'correct' choice...
You should see the outrage on a travel forum I am on concerning the likely resolution of a proposed smoking ban in pubs and restaurants in Prague. Pubs and restaurants can decide whether or not to allow smoking and have a non smoking section if they choose to. Some have well-ventillated, enclosed smoking sections, so the sensitive tourists don't complain, others don't. Some don't have non-smoking sections at all. The likely resolution will be that all remains the same, but smoking restaurants and pubs will have to have a sticker on the window/door saying they are a smoking establishment. The nannystater tourists are outraged...
Where you can or cannot vape isn't the real issue here but what is is how vaping is being made to look. Some places you can vape some you can't.
But everything could change if and when the TPD comes into effect in the uk. It's hands off for now with the current government in the uk but this could be very different come May.
But everything could change if and when the TPD comes into effect in the uk. It's hands off for now with the current government in the uk but this could be very different come May.
No, just me... Tourists from the UK are the biggest complainers about smoking and even vaping in Prague...
In reality vaping is more akin to breathing than smoking. What most dont even consider or understand is that air changes in a room at an alarming pace, even in a large room air from one side to the other goes into and out of folks many many times an hour and we are not restricting this to only coming out of mouths or noses. Add to this airborne viruses, bad breath, perfumes and colognes that could change the discussion to breathing areas where none of this 'other' stuff is allowed.
Most vapers are aware they can alter the amount of visible vapor they produce many different ways, this is the whole point. I can certainly understand why the next person would not want me decreasing the level of visibility in the same room as they are in just the same as I would not want them farting in said room. Being discreet to me isnt about sneaking a vape though I will admit I have, it is about being respectful in the same sense that I would cover my mouth if I sneeze. These are not things settled with legislation, they are settled through social norms.
The tough part of all of this is in the lack of evidence that there is anything harmful in exhaled vapor so why would there be any need in creating legislated behavior rules? This is something like regulating perfume on a basis of allowable ingredients and application dosage and quite honestly perfume is probably more dangerous than secondhand vapor. Certain foods like eggs, broccoli or beans can create 'conditions' that are far more obnoxious than a scented vape cloud even though it is invisible.
Most vapers are aware they can alter the amount of visible vapor they produce many different ways, this is the whole point. I can certainly understand why the next person would not want me decreasing the level of visibility in the same room as they are in just the same as I would not want them farting in said room. Being discreet to me isnt about sneaking a vape though I will admit I have, it is about being respectful in the same sense that I would cover my mouth if I sneeze. These are not things settled with legislation, they are settled through social norms.
The tough part of all of this is in the lack of evidence that there is anything harmful in exhaled vapor so why would there be any need in creating legislated behavior rules? This is something like regulating perfume on a basis of allowable ingredients and application dosage and quite honestly perfume is probably more dangerous than secondhand vapor. Certain foods like eggs, broccoli or beans can create 'conditions' that are far more obnoxious than a scented vape cloud even though it is invisible.
The problem is that it does create a visible exhale and we live in a society which is engrained to not tolerate that which looks like smoking. If e-cigs produced no vapor there would be no issue...
This is why I very rarely check out the forum any more, I'm saddened and disheartened. Some people just love to drink the koolaid.
I personally resent anyone who breathes around me, just because I can't see their "cooties" doesn't mean I'm not breathing it in. If anyone thinks this is a ridiculous statement then they haven't really thought about the issue. I'm more afraid of invisible breath than of vapor or cigarette smoke for that matter. After all just because someone is out in public doesn't mean they're free of contagious airborne illnesses.
Interesting thread over here:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...6844-e-cigs-generate-virtually-no-toxins.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...6844-e-cigs-generate-virtually-no-toxins.html
No, those aren't the only options. And as for "Clearly you're not a business person." A rather crass assumption, don't you think?
What are the other options?
And it's not crass at all, it's logical based on the responses.
And it's not crass at all, it's logical based on the responses.
Of course it's crass. Learn some manners. Time to ignore you and your certainties, I think.
Not as far as you're concerned. You know it all anyway so no useful discussion can be had. Goodbye.
lol, I love those posts. Can't answer the question, so ignore/attack.
Common internet tactic.
Common internet tactic.
I refer you to my previous post. You can keep on wittering for the last word, but this really is goodbye.
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