vape produced is very harsh, why?

[jacob bonilla]

I can't really pin point why the vapor is extremely harsh it's like vaping a strong nic juice that your not used to. I make my own juice typically at 80vg/20pg or 70vg/30pg. using cellucotton for whicking. could it simply be because I don't let my juice age and breathe?

besides that I try to change my cotton as much as possible some days I don't have much time or forget and I try to clean my coil out as well as it gets gunked up fast. of course if I change out cotton and coil it's more crisp but still doesn't taste very great. I suspect something with the juice but can't really pin point if breathing or aging is the issue or possibly both

 

[ej1024]

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[sparkky1]

I can't really pin point why the vapor is extremely harsh it's like vaping a strong nic juice that your not used to. I make my own juice typically at 80vg/20pg or 70vg/30pg. using cellucotton for whicking. could it simply be because I don't let my juice age and breathe?

besides that I try to change my cotton as much as possible some days I don't have much time or forget and I try to clean my coil out as well as it gets gunked up fast. of course if I change out cotton and coil it's more crisp but still doesn't taste very great. I suspect something with the juice but can't really pin point if breathing or aging is the issue or possibly both

What brand flavoring and nicotine, what are you using to measure and calculate with ?

 

[Jdurand]

I agree with Sparky, let's start with brands of nic and flavorings and work our way up to your actual mix percentages and technique.

 

[Paul lamb]

How old is your juice? How much nicotine and PG generally can point towards harshness

 

[VaPreis]

Indirect airflow to the coil will cause that. If you're dripping, make sure the air slots are lined up with the coils.

 

[edyle]

I can't really pin point why the vapor is extremely harsh it's like vaping a strong nic juice that your not used to. I make my own juice typically at 80vg/20pg or 70vg/30pg. using cellucotton for whicking. could it simply be because I don't let my juice age and breathe?

besides that I try to change my cotton as much as possible some days I don't have much time or forget and I try to clean my coil out as well as it gets gunked up fast. of course if I change out cotton and coil it's more crisp but still doesn't taste very great. I suspect something with the juice but can't really pin point if breathing or aging is the issue or possibly both

maybe you're putting ten times more nicotine than you are supposed to .

or maybe there's alcohol in your flavoring and it needs more steeping time.

 

[Hitmetwice]

Drip some straight VG.
If it's still bad it's to do with your set-up. Somewhere. Cheers.

 

[crxess]

This thread would likely get best answers in the E-liquid section.

That said, Op as posted a lot of concern, but little detail.

Exactly what kind of Mixing are you doing?
Balance of - pg/vg?
Brand/Type/ amount(%) of flavorings?

Type of container - RBA/RTA/RDA
Coil resistance
Wattage in use

Some mixes Can be done that are Shake and Vape - Better, next day.
Other mixes need Weeks to come into a Flavorful balance.

Some Flavorings work good at higher temperatures and some need very low temperatures for best Flavor experience.

 

[jacob bonilla]

brands of flavorings I are TFA
mixes generally are 70-80vg/ 20-30pg
if I recall correctly yes the flavorings I'm using do contain alcohol.
coil resistance typically under 1.0 running single coil right now at 0.74
wattage 23-29watts if dual coils I run it at around 39/40
nic is from wizardlabs 24mg run it at 1-3% per batch usually at 2% though this one is at 2%

I use steam engine to do my calculations at 30ml.

it simply just tastes like I am vaping on dry cotton that's burning. not that harsh but still pretty damn harsh compared to store bought juices and I've tried a few brands and those are pretty damn harsh even when already steeped

 

[jacob bonilla]

also I freshly made this juice I don't expect it to be perfect but as the days go by it just seems to get worse. just needing something to vape one that's all

 

[edyle]

brands of flavorings I are TFA
mixes generally are 70-80vg/ 20-30pg
if I recall correctly yes the flavorings I'm using do contain alcohol.
coil resistance typically under 1.0 running single coil right now at 0.74
wattage 23-29watts if dual coils I run it at around 39/40
nic is from wizardlabs 24mg run it at 1-3% per batch usually at 2% though this one is at 2%

I use steam engine to do my calculations at 30ml.

it simply just tastes like I am vaping on dry cotton that's burning. not that harsh but still pretty damn harsh compared to store bought juices and I've tried a few brands and those are pretty damn harsh even when already steeped

based on your description

nic is from wizardlabs 24mg run it at 1-3% per batch usually at 2% though this one is at 2%

I'd guess there's something wrong with your nicotine strength calculation.

Try some 0 nic to see if that's the problem.

(are you vaping 24mg or are you starting with 24mg as the concentrate?)
(are you vaping 0.2 to 0.6 mg strength?)

 

[Lucas Rong]

Maybe you over steeped it. Do you apply heat when steeping? Too much heat can ruin nicotine quality. Also sunlight might affect the quality too.

 

[mauricem00]

brands of flavorings I are TFA
mixes generally are 70-80vg/ 20-30pg
if I recall correctly yes the flavorings I'm using do contain alcohol.
coil resistance typically under 1.0 running single coil right now at 0.74
wattage 23-29watts if dual coils I run it at around 39/40
nic is from wizardlabs 24mg run it at 1-3% per batch usually at 2% though this one is at 2%

I use steam engine to do my calculations at 30ml.

it simply just tastes like I am vaping on dry cotton that's burning. not that harsh but still pretty damn harsh compared to store bought juices and I've tried a few brands and those are pretty damn harsh even when already steeped

you said it taste like dry burning cotton. have you tried other juices in you atty. may be too high heat flux on your coil or improper wicking. from your description sounds more like a dry hit than bad juice

 

[mcclintock]

I know I have to have the wick touching the leads of the coil running towards the posts, due probably to the length of those runs and the thinness of the wire not carrying heat into the posts, along with dripping through the top.

Resistance and power don't tell us enough, since we don't know how thick of wire the resistance alone doesn't say if it's a big coil or a small coil. Check your heat flux with Steam Engine. You'll also need to be pulling enough air through for the power level, if not, making the coil larger doesn't really help.

 

[crxess]

Maybe you over steeped it. Do you apply heat when steeping? Too much heat can ruin nicotine quality. Also sunlight might affect the quality too.

Not helpful

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Harshness:
Dry wicking
Poor Air Flow***
Nic to high - Recheck calculations - Note 2% of 24mg is only .48mg/ml
Over powering Device.
Over Flavoring - Dependent on flavor used.

Please give Proper Device specifics. Feels like Pulling important info. required to help.

For a simple Shake and Vape.
10 mil bottle
.7ml Main Fruit flavor
.3 secondary complementing or creamy flavor (Strawberry/Blueberry work well together)
1ml Nicotine - 2.4mg/ml(your Base Nic)
finish 6.6ml with preference of PG/VG
=10ml fruity 2.4mg nic Flavoring
Shame well

I prefer at least 24hrs. - Cap off overnight

You can Vape Flavorless while working of Recipes that are good for you.
You can use Flavorless to evaluate and correct equipment.

If it won't Vape flavorless properly nothing will ever taste right.

 

[crxess]

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Seriously?
I've been DIYing for over 3 years. Your post made little to no sense.
How would a rather new Vaper over steep anything?
It would take a very high heat for a Very long period of time to effect Nicotine.
Light oxidizes Nicotine discoloring the liquid but has minimal effect on Strength loss and even less on change in taste.

What else?

 

[Sidsgothem]

Seriously?
I've been DIYing for over 3 years. Your post made little to no sense.
How would a rather new Vaper over steep anything?
It would take a very high heat for a Very long period of time to effect Nicotine.
Light oxidizes Nicotine discoloring the liquid but has minimal effect on Strength loss and even less on change in taste.

What else?

how much heat is required to actually effect nicotine btw? like 125-150F? or would it be higher?

 

[crxess]

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Please assist Op or step aside.

how much heat is required to actually effect nicotine btw? like 125-150F? or would it be higher?

Ballpark to not degrade Nic or effect final Flavor is about 165F

We have threads in the DIY section following Both Heated UC and Crockpot Speed steeping. We are talking hours on continuous heat, not warm and let cool.

 

[Sidsgothem]

Ballpark to not degrade Nic or effect final Flavor is about 165F

We have threads in the DIY section following Both Heated UC and Crockpot Speed steeping. We are talking hours on continuous heat, not warm and let cool.

ah that actually makes sense...especially since the level of heat on a cig alone is near 400-500C (between puffs i believe) and nic is still going strong there...i'm going to check those DIY sections seems interesting thanks.