Vape shop sued for over a Million dollars because of exploding battery
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First people generalize to make a point, then they (Specialize) to make a point
Point is it is still a Battery in any case and anyone could purchase it for any personal project power supply.
This vaping Battery you fear(Media) is also a common Quality Flashlight power source.
So the difference is Packaging that still does not say DO NOT POCKET CARRY?
Sorry, but they certainly sell Lithium Eveready Rechargables and Size does not control stability. CR123's are also available and very unsafe if shorted.
People all to often open packages, toss paperwork aside and go with what they bought........ASSUMING.....they are smart enough.
People are their own worst enemy.
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I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "You know, my opinion on this hot button issue has been completely swayed by an anonymous stranger on an Internet message board."
Hot button issue? Sounds like someone need to clean the switch!
Sorry..couldn't resist.
vape on.
About the only battery safety I knew of prior to vaping was to not leave batteries in an item being stored/ or not in use for a long period of time because the battery acid could leak.
I do have to say that my local vape shop was very clear in explaining battery safety. Reading here has also helped educate me about battery safety. With that all being said I am still paranoid and nervous.
When I recently went out of town.. I had my mod in an ego case and my spare battery in a separate box.
I do have to say that my local vape shop was very clear in explaining battery safety. Reading here has also helped educate me about battery safety. With that all being said I am still paranoid and nervous.
When I recently went out of town.. I had my mod in an ego case and my spare battery in a separate box.
Ordered o-rings and coils from vaporshark.
Got battery safety warning in the envelope.
Good job vaporshark.
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Got battery safety warning in the envelope.
Good job vaporshark.
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I think I always believed that that was just an "old wives' tale," but I discovered that it's true -- the batteries in my bedside phone leaked, and it killed my caller ID display. The phone still works, but everytime it rings, I wonder how we survived in the "old days" before caller ID -- as I run to another phone to see who's calling!
Andria
A million dollar settlement in a case like this isn't that much. Figure that the attorney will end up with nearly half of that after fees. Then the insurance companies get their hands in it-- basically the settlement will repay the health insurance, short term disability etc...then you take out of what is left the settlemt to cover what was paid out of pocket...and I'm sure ther are taxes coming out...at the end of the day, even if he wins, he's not getting rich from the case!
This is a blatant misrepresentation of the potential energy and inherent danger/volatility of those cells.
Tapatyped
This thread experienced "thermal runaway" in much the same manner as the fellow's battery in the OP. Aside from battitudes post, the mention of my alma mater Bishop Alemany HS, and some ad hominem newbie attacks, not a whole lot of info here.
If the battery was in a ziplock, and failed, the root cause would either be:
1. a ziplock is not enough to prevent a dead short
2. something, as yet unexplained such as heat, friction, vibration, caused the battery to fail.
It would be nice to sort that out so some other fellow doesn't cook some huevos rancheros over easy.
If the battery was in a ziplock, and failed, the root cause would either be:
1. a ziplock is not enough to prevent a dead short
2. something, as yet unexplained such as heat, friction, vibration, caused the battery to fail.
It would be nice to sort that out so some other fellow doesn't cook some huevos rancheros over easy.
Clip to fit your argument, nice and the CR123's mentioned?
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h175/djira19/IMG_0791.jpg Posted right here on ECF by a member.
Are you sure? 1.5vAA
Primary Lithium battery explodes!!
Safety warnings on CR123 batteries right here on ECF
Typically the IRS (and the state tax authorities) won't touch any settlement money. Settlements usually cover personal injury or other financial losses, which are not considered income (just like insurance payouts) and therefore not subject to income tax. If it goes to court and the jury awards any punitive damages, the punitive damages would be considered income.
Regarding repaying health insurance and short term disability, etc., there was an interesting case in my area a few years back. A small child had fell into his grandmother's swimming pool and drowned but was revived. The lack of oxygen to his brain was long enough where major damage occurred. This meant that the child now needed long term care and medical care, which was covered by the local county social services agency. The parents of the child subsequently sued the grandmother (since the accident happened on her property) and got a multi-million dollar settlement from the grandmother's homeowner's insurance. The parents were then ordered by the county to repay the benefits they had previously received from the insurance settlement.
I still can't believe my mother hasn't mentioned this incident to me 
I was all prepared to have to explain everything to her.
I was all prepared to have to explain everything to her.Lithium Eveready Rechargables...
From Walmart...
Your words...
Was that not clear?
Tapatyped
Apologies to Eveready for using a branded name in comment.
As for your assumptions - pfft. Not wasting time on this.
Lithium batteries are lithium batteries and have inherent dangers period.
Minus branding - Example valid.
You've yet to equate one to the other in terms of potential danger. That was the basis of our discourse.
Because a "lithium" AA cell exploded does not complete the equation.
Nicads and Nimh and alkaline cells have the potential for explosion as well. They're energy stored in a hard, sealed can...
Hence why capacitors have a weak point stamped into them.
Though you'd have to admit a 120 micro farad, 6 volt cap has a lot less potential for... anything... than a several farad, 200 volt super cap.
Or... The other route you could take to support your position would be to quote a certain number of failures in total where the failure went in such a way to create danger.
Or... via loss assessment in dollar amounts via said failures. (Vs total sales if you'd like)
I'm confident those stats won't add up. Are you?
Tapatyped
ETA: CR123 ... I am uncertain if wally world carries them... if you were referring to wally world actually carrying them... and their volatility. I may have to redact any statements I've made in relation to them. Though I will not comment on them specifically.
Though our discourse should provide food for thought for others if nothing else.
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My Point, which seems to have been totally missed in your effort to minimize which batteries should be of concern, is if Battery Education is needed, it should NOT be Limited to Vaping Establishments.
Lithium batteries are inherently dangerous if improperly used or if there is a failure in their usage.
There are many supplier which supply Lithium batteries for many purposes outside of Vaping. The battery does not change in internal function.
Even the smallest watch battery can explode if over heated. possibly if shorted/damaged.
The argument is the safe handling of such batteries, not WHERE you get the information.
Manufacturers should include warnings and many do, right on the Battery. None state - do not pocket carry.
If I were to Blame someone else for my carelessness I would no more omit Walmart than a Vape shop.
Lithium batteries are inherently dangerous if improperly used or if there is a failure in their usage.
There are many supplier which supply Lithium batteries for many purposes outside of Vaping. The battery does not change in internal function.
Even the smallest watch battery can explode if over heated. possibly if shorted/damaged.
The argument is the safe handling of such batteries, not WHERE you get the information.
Manufacturers should include warnings and many do, right on the Battery. None state - do not pocket carry.
If I were to Blame someone else for my carelessness I would no more omit Walmart than a Vape shop.
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I would.
There's a clear target audience and a specific goal/use for the batteries at a vape shop.
These batteries are by default going to be sold to the ignorant to be used outside of their intended use with items that make the simplest of circuits.
You're typical CR123 (which isn't a big seller) sold at wally world is to someone replacing one in a device with safety circuitry built in... With the current draw of the device pre determined and matched to that type of cells output.
Typical battery sold at a vape shop is to someone given wire to wind a coil or a low sub ohm coil built for them and told "yeah, it's cool... just put that by your face".
One of these places NEEDS battery care and safety to survive. The other can (and certainly would if it was a cause for concern fiscally) just stop selling Those Batteries.
I get what you're saying... but it's not realistic to expect... Though what I'm suggesting (that you jumped on like we were dogs and I was in heat) Will Be Necessary for the continued advancement of e-cigs.
Mark my words...
Tapatyped
There's a clear target audience and a specific goal/use for the batteries at a vape shop.
These batteries are by default going to be sold to the ignorant to be used outside of their intended use with items that make the simplest of circuits.
You're typical CR123 (which isn't a big seller) sold at wally world is to someone replacing one in a device with safety circuitry built in... With the current draw of the device pre determined and matched to that type of cells output.
Typical battery sold at a vape shop is to someone given wire to wind a coil or a low sub ohm coil built for them and told "yeah, it's cool... just put that by your face".
One of these places NEEDS battery care and safety to survive. The other can (and certainly would if it was a cause for concern fiscally) just stop selling Those Batteries.
I get what you're saying... but it's not realistic to expect... Though what I'm suggesting (that you jumped on like we were dogs and I was in heat) Will Be Necessary for the continued advancement of e-cigs.
Mark my words...
Tapatyped
Snipped for simplicity....
I get what you're saying... but it's not realistic to expect... Though what I'm suggesting (Cleanup
Mark my words...
Tapatyped
On this I have no doubt.
I just wish to add this - Teaching and Learning are not mutual.
People still refuse to put the mobile phones down while driving, even with laws in place and signage everywhere.
People still drive on snow/ice covered highways at posted speeds or higher in spite of warnings.
People still dive into the ocean when Rip current warnings are posted
All the available education in the world will not stop some people from doing the wrong thing.
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