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[sbc83]

I agree 100%. The purchase of nicotine is the most important thing that you can do right now.

100mg/ml nicotine is the strongest recommended nicotine for DIY folks in their homes. 100mg/ml is a 10% solution of nicotine and most order it in VG base. I believe that the main posts in this thread have a safety video and some recommendations to follow when handling it.

To prevent the uptake of 100mg/ml nicotine on skin, wear two layers of (thin) lab gloves and eye protection. Recommendation is to work with lower nicotine values until you get use to handling it, and do not handle or store around children or pets. Use near a sink is recommended.

I've always shied away from 100mg, I might just get the 2 50mg/1L from nude as it's actually cheaper vs 1 100mg/1L. I've been using 36mg for the last couple years and have found it to cause much less stress while concocting my liquid. The pro for me is that the strong stuff would take up less space. Thanks for the tips!

 

[Tommy-Chi]

I've always shied away from 100mg, I might just get the 2 50mg/1L from nude as it's actually cheaper vs 1 100mg/1Lml. I've been using 36mg for the last couple years and have found it to cause much less stress while concocting my liquid. The pro for the strong stuff is that it takes up less space. Thanks for the tips!

Exactly right! Sounds like a great idea! Work with the nicotine, flavors, pg/vg, and devices that you find most appropriate for your needs.

Lower nicotine base only takes up more space in the freezer. That is the only downside that I know of too.

We support you in whatever path you decide to take. This document just has recommendations. They do not have to be followed to the "T." They are suggestions.

 

[LoriP1702]

I've always shied away from 100mg, I might just get the 2 50mg/1L from nude as it's actually cheaper vs 1 100mg/1L. I've been using 36mg for the last couple years and have found it to cause much less stress while concocting my liquid. The pro for me is that the strong stuff would take up less space. Thanks for the tips!

That's what I did too, I went with 50mg from Nude.

 

[sbc83]

That's what I did too, I went with 50mg from Nude.

I don't understand why the 48mg costs $7 more per 1L vs the 50mg.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

I don't understand why the 48mg costs $7 more per 1L vs the 50mg.

The only thing that I can think of is they sell less of it.

Pure nicotine is 1000mg/ml. 100mg/ml is very popular. It is possible though not likely, they too order 50mg/ml and re-bottle it as 48mg/ml and the additional costs are in the handling.

 

[Oregon Linda]

Excellent thread, Tommy, with a lot of great information. I did the majority of my stocking up the first 9 months of last year and did it fairly inexpensively. I mostly only bought during holiday sales. And when I found things at a great price, I bought a bunch of them - for instance, I bought 15 Orchid v4 and v5s that were on closeout at under $2 apiece. Those aren't the "latest and greatest" RTAs you can currently buy, but they are one of my favorite tanks and I know I could vape them forever and be happy with them.

If you watch the sales, you can almost always buy mods at a discount to what they were several months before simply because new stuff comes out so quickly (although, that may be coming to an end). The other day, I bought 2 Ijoy Asolo 200s for $19.95 to add to my collection. I probably now have enough mods and tanks to last me for 50 years and nicotine to last me 20, so I really feel set.

I do want to add something to what you said about buying mech mods. I bought a handful of those just for extreme emergencies. For those who are leery of them because of safety concerns, I would suggest also buying kicks and fuses to go with them. Both will protect you from a dead short. And a kick will give you a limited amount of regulation. They're only a few bucks apiece, so well woth having.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

Excellent thread, Tommy, with a lot of great information. I did the majority of my stocking up the first 9 months of last year and did it fairly inexpensively. I mostly only bought during holiday sales. And when I found things at a great price, I bought a bunch of them - for instance, I bought 15 Orchid v4 and v5s that were on closeout at under $2 apiece. Those aren't the "latest and greatest" RTAs you can currently buy, but they are one of my favorite tanks and I know I could vape them forever and be happy with them.

If you watch the sales, you can almost always buy mods at a discount to what they were several months before simply because new stuff comes out so quickly (although, that may be coming to an end). The other day, I bought 2 Ijoy Asolo 200s for $19.95 to add to my collection. I probably now have enough mods and tanks to last me for 50 years and nicotine to last me 20, so I really feel set.

I do want to add something to what you said about buying mech mods. I bought a handful of those just for extreme emergencies. For those who are leery of them because of safety concerns, I would suggest also buying kicks and fuses to go with them. Both will protect you from a dead short. And a kick will give you a limited amount of regulation. They're only a few bucks apiece, so well woth having.

Excellent suggestions!

 

[LoriP1702]

I don't understand why the 48mg costs $7 more per 1L vs the 50mg.

I would guess what Tommy said, each time it gets handled, the price goes up.
Not sure if their prices fluctuate based on their sources, but that could play into it as well.
Honestly, I don't know the answer to that other than to speculate.

 

[ad356]

i think this outrageous government liberal control nonsense. no way will i go to closed system under-performing garbage. just as an experiment, i once bought a blu. just aweful performance, really really bad. i cannot fathom why the government seems to think that real vapers will accept such dismal performance. of course they really dont care and the leaders of the FDA would have a Grinch that stole Christmas look if they witnessed us returning to cigarettes and a decade or two its kemo and other disgusting drugs. sure we would suffer but they really dont care, they are getting rich. disgusting, rotten people that will go down in history as some of the worst people in history. nice folks

i might be a fool but im going to have to run up a credit card to do this. i will not accept government control into my life. i am not going to file into line like a sheeple. i will not go quietly into the night. i enjoy vaping, its my business. i will not be a good little boy. they will not tell me what to do. im going to be the punk going down the street with a mod puffing big old clouds when the majority of the population has filed into line.

i think tomorrow im going order some nic from MFS. im trying to decide if i should order 15 or 20 1L bottles of 100 MG. sure it will be a big order but i can pay it off over time. i will be ordering a 20 year supply. even with interest its going to be far cheaper then paying taxes or worse not being able to get it. even if i order 20 bottles im still going to continue to order 1L per month until i can no longer purchase. i could be sitting on a pile of it, and if it does get banned and i have far more then i need, it will be worth allot more then i paid for it on the black market. kind of like the leafy green stuff.

then its on to slowly purchase mods and tanks with RBA sections, maybe some mechs and RDA's. i am already learning how to make my own coils, cheap cheap.

now on to PV and PG, i really dont understand why some of you guys think they will be able to touch it. i have purchased PG in tractor supply, i also used to work in dairy. glycol cooling used in silo cooling, do you know that's PG. when i worked there, they once had a large PG spill and they ordered many 55 gallon drums at once. i know VG also has many used although not as many as PG, it still is used elsewhere besides vaping. dont see how they can mess with that

 

[ad356]

one more concern, if i am going to buy a freezer dedicated to nic storage, what size do i need? something that will store 20 1L bottles broken down into 120 ML glass bottles. perhaps the ability to store more as time goes on and i collect more.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

i think this outrageous government liberal control nonsense. no way will i go to closed system under-performing garbage. just as an experiment, i once bought a blu. just aweful performance, really really bad. i cannot fathom why the government seems to think that real vapers will accept such dismal performance. of course they really dont care and the leaders of the FDA would have a Grinch that stole Christmas look if they witnessed us returning to cigarettes and a decade or two its kemo and other disgusting drugs. sure we would suffer but they really dont care, they are getting rich. disgusting, rotten people that will go down in history as some of the worst people in history. nice folks

i might be a fool but im going to have to run up a credit card to do this. i will not accept government control into my life. i am not going to file into line like a sheeple. i will not go quietly into the night. i enjoy vaping, its my business. i will not be a good little boy. they will not tell me what to do. im going to be the punk going down the street with a mod puffing big old clouds when the majority of the population has filed into line.

i think tomorrow im going order some nic from MFS. im trying to decide if i should order 15 or 20 1L bottles of 100 MG. sure it will be a big order but i can pay it off over time. i will be ordering a 20 year supply. even with interest its going to be far cheaper then paying taxes or worse not being able to get it. even if i order 20 bottles im still going to continue to order 1L per month until i can no longer purchase. i could be sitting on a pile of it, and if it does get banned and i have far more then i need, it will be worth allot more then i paid for it on the black market. kind of like the leafy green stuff.

then its on to slowly purchase mods and tanks with RBA sections, maybe some mechs and RDA's. i am already learning how to make my own coils, cheap cheap.

now on to PV and PG, i really dont understand why some of you guys think they will be able to touch it. i have purchased PG in tractor supply, i also used to work in dairy. glycol cooling used in silo cooling, do you know that's PG. when i worked there, they once had a large PG spill and they ordered many 55 gallon drums at once. i know VG also has many used although not as many as PG, it still is used elsewhere besides vaping. dont see how they can mess with that

Liberal yes, but it's both Democrats and Republicans at City, County, State and Federal levels that are involved. It does not matter who is doing it, because right now it's totally out of control and will become much worse in the months and years ahead now that the FDA has declared every component of all systems a tobacco product right along with zero and up eliquids..

Your stated path is the one I took, and I'd be paid off on my first run of purchases by the end of September, 2016 if everybody that owes me money comes through. I think the worst is I'll be back to zero on my credit cards by early October after I turn a few screws and I'll then carry a reasonable monthly balance...and keep right on stocking up.

With three to five months of shopping I'm set for at least 15 years. Everyone can do it.

 

[LoriP1702]

i think this outrageous government liberal control nonsense. no way will i go to closed system under-performing garbage. just as an experiment, i once bought a blu. just aweful performance, really really bad. i cannot fathom why the government seems to think that real vapers will accept such dismal performance. of course they really dont care and the leaders of the FDA would have a Grinch that stole Christmas look if they witnessed us returning to cigarettes and a decade or two its kemo and other disgusting drugs. sure we would suffer but they really dont care, they are getting rich. disgusting, rotten people that will go down in history as some of the worst people in history. nice folks

i might be a fool but im going to have to run up a credit card to do this. i will not accept government control into my life. i am not going to file into line like a sheeple. i will not go quietly into the night. i enjoy vaping, its my business. i will not be a good little boy. they will not tell me what to do. im going to be the punk going down the street with a mod puffing big old clouds when the majority of the population has filed into line.

i think tomorrow im going order some nic from MFS. im trying to decide if i should order 15 or 20 1L bottles of 100 MG. sure it will be a big order but i can pay it off over time. i will be ordering a 20 year supply. even with interest its going to be far cheaper then paying taxes or worse not being able to get it. even if i order 20 bottles im still going to continue to order 1L per month until i can no longer purchase. i could be sitting on a pile of it, and if it does get banned and i have far more then i need, it will be worth allot more then i paid for it on the black market. kind of like the leafy green stuff.

then its on to slowly purchase mods and tanks with RBA sections, maybe some mechs and RDA's. i am already learning how to make my own coils, cheap cheap.

now on to PV and PG, i really dont understand why some of you guys think they will be able to touch it. i have purchased PG in tractor supply, i also used to work in dairy. glycol cooling used in silo cooling, do you know that's PG. when i worked there, they once had a large PG spill and they ordered many 55 gallon drums at once. i know VG also has many used although not as many as PG, it still is used elsewhere besides vaping. dont see how they can mess with that

Just curious if you've had that brand of nic before?
I haven't, but I know several have ordered it.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

one more concern, if i am going to buy a freezer dedicated to nic storage, what size do i need? something that will store 20 1L bottles broken down into 120 ML glass bottles. perhaps the ability to store more as time goes on and i collect more.

Due to going all in on vape goods and DIY, I have not purchased a dedicated freezer yet. I have all of my nic/pg/vg in two separate freezers 30 miles apart (my folks place, and my place). It just worked out that way.

20L is not really that big...it's just 5 to 6 gallons. A reasonably sized freezer should be able to handle it. As per earlier conversations you want the temp in the freezer to be as low as it can go. -15F is better than -5F...and so on. Make sure you are looking at temps in the F range, unless you are converting correctly.

 

[Fozzy71]

one more concern, if i am going to buy a freezer dedicated to nic storage, what size do i need? something that will store 20 1L bottles broken down into 120 ML glass bottles. perhaps the ability to store more as time goes on and i collect more.

how much/strength do you vape to need 20 liters for 20 years? 4L will last me and another for 20+ years at 2-3mg

 

[Tommy-Chi]

Just curious if you've had that brand of nic before?
I haven't, but I know several have ordered it.

Yea... I might order a 125ml bottle in the range that you presently vape at with the right pg/vg mix, and give it a taste. I'm sure MFS is OK, but it would never hurt to try it out.

 

[LoriP1702]

Yea... I might order a 125ml bottle in the range that you presently vape at with the right pg/vg mix, and give it a taste. I'm sure MFS is OK, but it would never hurt to try it out.

That's what I was thinking.
20 liters would be a lot to have if you ended up not liking it.
But I'd suggest trying it first with any vendor, I'm not just singling out MFS.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

how much/strength do you vape to need 20 liters for 20 years? 4L will last me and another for 20+ years at 2-3mg

As for myself I vape at 12mg/ml and I might go up or down from there. I have 8000ml of 100mg/ml. I plan to buy some of Nude Nicotine's new nic to try out. It is not in the armor line. I'd probably sell off some of the nic I currently have.

I don't think I'll be the punk blowing clouds, b/c I don't now, but I don't think I'll run out either.

 

[Fozzy71]

half my stash is mfs, it tasted no different to me than the nude v1 armor in an unflavored base

 

[sketchness]

one more concern, if i am going to buy a freezer dedicated to nic storage, what size do i need? something that will store 20 1L bottles broken down into 120 ML glass bottles. perhaps the ability to store more as time goes on and i collect more.

As cold a temp as you can afford and has a manual defrost preferably with a drain plug. Around 5 cubic ft is a good size. Also you don't have to break everything down to 120's. Breaking it down to .5 liter bottles with a half liter at a time broken into 120's would be far simpler. And I would look into ordering nic from more than 1 vendor. Mfs has a strong tobacco note to some. If you like that great. But if you are like me that would be unacceptable.

 

[ad356]

how much/strength do you vape to need 20 liters for 20 years? 4L will last me and another for 20+ years at 2-3mg

actually i realized i made an error, that's really about a 40 year supply..... 20L. MFS, my freedom smokes. right now i can get it for $40 per liter so 20L is $800. lets think about this though. i am only 35 years old, i could very possibly be vaping at 75 years old if i am still around..... i know people that were that old and still smoking (well they were lucky to still be alive but it has happened). my stepfather is 68 and still smokes that junk. i tried to get him to switch, forget it he is a stubborn mule. his basement reeks from smoking. anyways its completely possible for me to still be vaping 40 years from now. 20 year supply would leave me high and dry at age 55.

will base store for 40 years? wow quite the experiment. no way of knowing, that's a long time. MFS smokes doesnt bother me, at its the least expensive i have found. when ordering that much, cost is a HUGE consideration.​