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[ad356]

unless someone else offers similar product at similar prices? MFS has the lowest price i have seen, and i dont mind the product. that's what i am using right now. i have currently a 1L bottle of 100 from them. i have been the DIY thing for a while now

also realize that i vape but so does my wife. im sure allot of people here are only supplying for themselves. she is down to something like 3MG i think she said it works out to .6ML on a 30ML bottle. as for me, im down to 8ML strength but i tend to blow clouds and those devices chug juice

 

[Tommy-Chi]

actually i realized i made an error, that's really about a 40 year supply..... 20L. MFS, my freedom smokes. right now i can get it for $40 per liter so 20L is $800. lets think about this though. i am only 35 years old, i could very possibly be vaping at 75 years old if i am still around..... i know people that were that old and still smoking (well they were lucky to still be alive but it has happened). my stepfather is 68 and still smokes that junk. i tried to get him to switch, forget it he is a stubborn mule. his basement reeks from smoking. anyways its completely possible for me to still be vaping 40 years from now. 20 year supply would leave me high and dry at age 55.

will base store for 40 years? wow quite the experiment. no way of knowing, that's a long time. MFS smokes doesnt bother me, at its the least expensive i have found. when ordering that much, cost is a HUGE consideration.​

I don't think many have gone past 6 to 10 years, but it looks good out to there without Argon gas( as seen in Nude Nicotine Armor v1/v2), and any other treatment that might be applied by the manufacturer/retailer. That said, none of the bottles opened by anyone with nic that had been stored properly noted any loss of strength or bad/unwanted taste.

You just might make it 20, 30, 40yrs. Nobody knows.

 

[ad356]

right now i refill my dropbox twice a day, it takes 7ML and i am on 8MG
14MLx8MGx365=40880MG per year

thats just my usage. a single 1L container= 100,000
so roughly that's a little over two years per liter and that does not take my wife's usage into consideration.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

I'm no tootlepuffer either. I plan on continuing my style of vaping for at least 20yrs plus whether it is at 9mg, 12mg, or 18mg. I'll buy another 4000ml of 100mg/ml nic, but I'm not sure I'll be buying Nude Nicotine Armor v1/v2 packaged in glass and topped off with Argon gas. I think I'm going to be buying some 120ml bottles of Nude Nicotine's new line of nic. Going to try out some of the new concepts they have.

 

[ad356]

i also figure it is better to have more then needed then run out and be screwed because its either unaffordable or unavailable. if say for example, the $1 per ML tax goes into effect that's $1,000 per 1L bottle just in taxes. that's more then my entire order of 20 1L bottles.

 

[ad356]

when i first started vaping and quit smoking i was at 24 MG, i did that for a couple of years. i have very slowly reduced intake. im pretty happy where i am at now. im glad i dont have to stock for 24MG usage, YIKES.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

i also figure it is better to have more then needed then run out and be screwed because its either unaffordable or unavailable. if say for example, the $1 per ML tax goes into effect that's $1,000 per 1L bottle just in taxes. that's more then my entire order of 20 1L bottles.

One thing you can bank on. Nicotine and open system vape gear is not going to be any cheaper or easier to obtain in late 2018. Nicotine might be like gold.

 

[ad356]

i was thinking why should the vaping community be responsible for the government foolishly spending MSA funds before they had it, issuing bonds on money before it was even theirs to spend? why is that our problem, i say good. they were profiting off of the addicted, sick, and dying. the deserve to loose their butts. i dont care about MSA money. for them to assume that smoking rates would remain the same, and at the same time demonize smokers and smoking, insisting people quit, ect........ doesnt make one ounce of sense.

if we ran our personal lives like that, we would be bankrupt

 

[Tommy-Chi]

i was thinking why should the vaping community be responsible for the government foolishly spending MSA funds before they had it, issuing bonds on money before it was even theirs to spend? why is that our problem, i say good. they were profiting off of the addicted, sick, and dying. the deserve to loose their butts. i dont care about MSA money. for them to assume that smoking rates would remain the same, and at the same time demonize smokers and smoking, insisting people quit, ect........ doesnt make one ounce of sense.

if we ran our personal lives like that, we would be bankrupt

Technology is always a game changer no matter what industry you are speaking of. Nobody can see it coming. Early adopters are looked at like quacks.

In 1994, after compiling and hosting versions of Mozilla web browser for a year for students and faculty at my university, I started an ISP and web hosting co. I did research on foot to at least 1000 businesses with a laptop and marketing brochures. I had staff cold call to more than 2500 businesses. I thought it was a done deal and I'd make a decent living, say $100k plus.

I hired staff (very unpredictable), and then started to penetrate the market. Once I showed them what a web page was, and pulled out the contract for around $150/yr for unlimited number of hit to their page... they balked. I had sent staff out without laptops. I think I ended up with a few hundred web sites on the server. Everyone knows what the Internet is in 2016, but every customer had to be taught what the Internet was in 1995. It was time consuming and costs spiraled out of control.

Vaping took everyone by surprise. Those that got in early saw a lot of pain. Those that got in late will never see a dime, b/c they signed on the dotted line for floor space somewhere and they probably have 3 to 5 year leases.

It's tricky to make good money on anything, especially with govt intervention and huge conglomerates trying to crush you.

 

[ad356]

i know what you are talking about with early tech adapters. when i first stated vaping, around 2011 when i first took one to work and started using it at work, i was viewed as being an oddball. people had no clue what i was doing and as far as the majority of them i should just be smoking. fast foward a couple years at the same job and some of the same people were converted vapers.

i feel sorry for the vape shop owners. the government is trying to ruin their businesses just when they were starting to do well. walking into a vape shop offers the buyer to the chance to go into a retail store and look at the item and ask questions..... seeing it first hand before purchase. if you look in PA with their absurd 40% tax that is already going into effect, i can see allot of those shops no longer able to move their products. the result for them sadly is unemployment and bankruptcy. sadly their employees might very well end up working at wal-mart or other retail at minimum wage, instead of working with something they know well and giving customers the help they need getting off the burning garbage.

the government wants everything to be a corporate giant and squash the little guy like a bug, not giving the individual or small business the honest chance to make it well in life..... providing a strong living for both their families and jobs for their employees. its much easier to control a large corp then it is a small business

it makes me sick

 

[Mowgli]

I chose 250ml glass bottles. 45 of them fit comfortably on the lowest shelf of our fridge/freezer. 250's fit. 500's won't. 120's wouldn't be efficient in our case. Here is about 12 liters in and around 3 medium USPS priority boxes.
It would be about 30 years for me & Mrs. but I make juice for a bunch of family & friends. We're mid 50's so 30 years should do it. I'm just recovering from breaking the bank (stockpiling) so I'll get a chest freezer & another gallon of high octane RTS before mid 2018 as $$$ allow.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

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I chose 250ml glass bottles. 45 of them fit comfortably on the lowest shelf of our fridge/freezer. 250's fit. 500's won't. 120's wouldn't be efficient in our case. Here is about 12 liters in and around 3 medium USPS priority boxes.
It would be about 30 years for me & Mrs. but I make juice for a bunch of family & friends. We're mid 50's so 30 years should do it. I'm just recovering from breaking the bank (stockpiling) so I'll get a chest freezer & another gallon of high octane RTS before mid 2018 as $$$ allow.

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I don't know if I'll pay the piper for this but I've got all my nic laying down in the freezer on the top tray at home. If the cap ever lets go, there will be one heck of a mess....maybe I need to rethink it.

At my folks they are in the door and bottom basket of the freezer standing up. That seems safe.

Looks like I have work to do tomorrow rearranging my freezer at home.

 

[Mowgli]

I like storing them in boxes since I'm using the family fridge. The door gets opened/closed frequently and the freezer loses a few degrees but the temp should remain constant inside the boxes filled with freezing cold bottles.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

BUY YOUR NICOTINE NOW!

CHICAGO VAPE TAX: $2,000 tax per gallon of premade juice in Chicago, Illinois. Think about that.

This includes all 0mg/ml, 3mg/ml, 6mg/ml, 9mg/ml, 12mg/ml, 18mg/ml, 24mg/ml premade juice. With DIY you could produce it for less than $200 ...and the tax alone in Chicago will be $2,000 PLUS the manufacturers markup.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

I like storing them in boxes since I'm using the family fridge. The door gets opened/closed frequently and the freezer loses a few degrees but the temp should remain constant inside the boxes filled with freezing cold bottles.

Sounds like a well thought out plan that I need to implement.

 

[Andromendous]

Did I do my math right? Currently, I have 4 500ml 100mg bottles of nude armour v2, and about 300ml in 120ml bottles, I vape roughly 2 30ml bottles @4mg a week.

I calculated the 4 500ml bottles lasting 16 years. 18-19 including the 300ml I have. Can someone double check me please?

 

[Fozzy71]

Did I do my math right? Currently, I have 4 500ml 100mg bottles of nude armour v2, and about 300ml in 120ml bottles, I vape roughly 2 30ml bottles @4mg a week.

I calculated the 4 500ml bottles lasting 16 years. 18-19 including the 300ml I have. Can someone double check me please?

RTS Vapes Nicotine Use Calculator

 

[Andromendous]

RTS Vapes Nicotine Use Calculator

I don't have a pc

 

[Fozzy71]

I don't have a pc

I rounded up to 70 ml per week:

 

[ad356]

i dont know how you guys afford nic armor, rts, ect. i was on the nic armor website, $65 for 500 ML, sure the packaging sounds great but darn that's expensive. i go to MFS and buy 1L for $40, for about $800 i can go likely above and beyond what i need and get a pile of product for $800. im going to error on the side of caution and get more then i need, i can always resell some of it when the price goes to the moon, and suddenly its like bath-tub gin.

when is someone going to sue the FDA for violating our constitutional rights. the first amendment freedom of speech is clearly being violated. vape businesses are no longer permitted to state truthfully that vaping is indeed safer then combustibles. the FDA is indeed part of the government.

why isnt there a class action lawsuit, i know there are some lawsuits but what about a class action lawsuit. make the government realize just how many people have gone to vaping. several million users each contribute $20 or $40 as a class action for interfering with our freedom of speech and freedom of choice.

years ago they placed a "Sin tax" on cigarettes because people were dying and costing the healthcare system allot of money. vaping has killed no one, so how is a sin tax acceptable behavior