im going to have to do MFS. $40 per liter and i have found it to have good quality. then i just have to re-package it into glass bottles.
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I personally prefer RTS nic over MFS nic. RTS will price match other suppliers nic price and they make it easy to do. Just click on the price match button and request it. Tell them the price and where it is and you will get an email that gives you a code for the price matched price. NudeNicotine's price is way above my price range.
I wanted to add...Since you have already used and enjoy MFS nic that would probably be the way for you to go. I like RTS more but that might not be the case for you. I actually have nic from both suppliers but the majority of mine is from RTS.
yup and i dont know if they would match their coupon price or the regular price. the coupon gives $10 off per liter, if i am ordering a large quantity, that's significant. i found the product to be on par with wizard labs but at a cheaper price. i used to use wizard labs but discovered MFS was cheaper. i am a price orientated buyer, if the quality is acceptable i will seek out the lower price. now if i got the product and it made the juice taste noticeably awful, i would not buy it again. if you look at the reviews on MFS, the nic liquid has very high reviews.
what about just taking the liquid out of the plastic containers and putting it in 1000 ML glass containers? what is the dis-advantage with that. i can buy glass 1000 ML containers pretty cheap. they take up less fridge space as well.
I'm not a lawyer and I don't know if you can do that. I don't know why not, but some law firm has to prepare all the paperwork. I absolutely love your idea. I'd be willing to contribute $250. It would be worth it to end this nonsense.
There is some disadvantage probably but not much. Here is what is going on.
What you are paying for at Nude Nicotine is for an amber glass bottle impervious to air and light, and topped off with argon gas that is inert and does not react with the nic, so there is little to NO oxidation.
They bottle the nic at the factory after removing it from 55 gallon drums. Whatever air or "headspace" is in the bottle at that time is going to be absorbed in to the nic over time. This causes discoloration and a reduction in potency over time. This is known as oxidation.
Air causes oxidation however, you must leave some headspace in the bottle or the glass may crack when it freezes, and then again, when you bring it out of the freezer and allow it to warm up to room temp before each use, it may overflow the container.
If it is not placed in an amber bottle, light may cause degridation.
If it is a plastic bottle, and air molecules flow through the plastic, it causes oxidation.
You can buy argon gas and spray it in to the bottle of nic when you rebottle it. It is in the docs within this thread.
Is rebottling and spraying argon gas in to the top just as good? It is probably very close.
im voting for a class action lawsuit
lets flood the FDA with so many lawsuits they cant possibly enforce regulations because they are so busy fighting lawsuits. how about some PSA's exposing them for what they are.
lets flood the FDA with so many lawsuits they cant possibly enforce regulations because they are so busy fighting lawsuits. how about some PSA's exposing them for what they are.
where do i buy Aragon gas. im not looking to buy a torch outfit.
private preserve from amazon - https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GO9C4QY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I bought two bottles but one would have plenty for the couple of liters I did. For breaking down 20 liters you may want/need the 2 pack.
oh ok so its wine preserver. i was talking with my wife, she says this is allot to go through. well it is, but basically what you are doing is circumventing a prohibition, a prohibition on vaping as stupid as it sounds.
so what do you do? is this just like a spray can. spray into to the head space and the close the cap quickly?
so what do you do? is this just like a spray can. spray into to the head space and the close the cap quickly?
yes, it has a spray tube. You hold the cap in place as best you can with the tube inside the head space, give a light spray (not full blast or it might squirt some nic out on you) then pull out the tube and quickly cap it. It has instructions on the bottle.
For one, you need the myriad of studies to back the claims up. Prove to the FDA that the studies you have are better than the ones they have and they'll change their tune.
As for the First Amendment claim, it's already being addressed in the Nicopure suit against the FDA.
royal college of physicians. pay airfare for that greek dr. to testify on our behalf. there are plenty of studies showing that vaping is far safer then smoking. problem is how to prove they are better then the yellow journalism that the FDA puts out.
seems like allot of the studies have been done in other countries, the FDA does not want the truth
Again, you have to have tons of peer reviewed studies that disprove the studies the FDA has. And it has to be overwhelming evidence.
Wishful thinking and a handful of studies doesn't cut it here.
Wishful thinking and a handful of studies doesn't cut it here.
Those suits are already in progress. This was the first and several others followed.
Read this! - Tuesday: Halo start first lawsuit against FDA, Debate in the UK House of Lords
In its court filing Nicopure Labs, who is not affiliated with any tobacco company, contends the FDA’s rulemaking process violated the Administrative Procedure Act, and that the deeming rule violates the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.
You can buy the MFS nic in glass liter bottles for $65 minus the current 20% discount and then you can leave them in the factory bottles until needed. It comes out to about $52 a liter. More yes, but they are already in glass so no need of rebottling until you need it...
In my humble opinion the argon gas is an unnecessary extra step and expense. If you fill your bottles up to within 1/2 to 1/4 inch from the top there is very little room for either gas or air.
Some are concerned about both storing and removing from the freezer. I have read that one person had a problem with their nicotine expanding after removing from the freezer and some of it oozed out. That can be prevented by moving it from the freezer to the refrigerator during the hottest part of the summer.
I also wanted to point out that the nicotine doesn't actually freeze and does not expand once placed in the freezer unlike some liquids that would definitely freeze, expand and break your bottle. Filling your bottles and leaving just enough head space to allow room for the poli-cone cap to fit works well and leaves no room for air thus no need for the argon gas. JMHO
Some are concerned about both storing and removing from the freezer. I have read that one person had a problem with their nicotine expanding after removing from the freezer and some of it oozed out. That can be prevented by moving it from the freezer to the refrigerator during the hottest part of the summer.
I also wanted to point out that the nicotine doesn't actually freeze and does not expand once placed in the freezer unlike some liquids that would definitely freeze, expand and break your bottle. Filling your bottles and leaving just enough head space to allow room for the poli-cone cap to fit works well and leaves no room for air thus no need for the argon gas. JMHO
To add - there is such a small amount of air space at the top of bottles that the oxidation that does occur is minimal - it is not like you are replenishing the air everyday while you are storing it. Once the small amount that is in there reacts - the reaction is done until you open the bottle and replace the air...
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