Vaping banned in schools/colleges?

[Storemyace]

First of all let me say, I understand why school officials wouldn't allow vaping in the classroom, it would be a big disruption in my opinion. But why not allow on school property outside, or even in the hallways? There's no second hand smoke considering it's water vapor... and vaping has no negative side effects that can be proven!

If you're currently in school/college, or know if schools/colleges have banned the use of vaping in your town/city please post a comment. I'm curious.

 

[State O' Flux]

Humorous (debatable) response to unwinable argument - version #493, and counting.
Majority doesn't give a rats ... about you or your sinful pleasures. Vaping is "bad"... haven't you heard?

Vapor looks like smoke. If you could vape, then uneducated smokers would whine about why they can't "smoke" too. Uneducated non-smokers would complain as well, about the "smoke".
Lowest common denominator of the public mentality at work here. They don't get to drink beer in the halls, why should you get to smoke vape?

Ban everything that emits anything that looks like smoke... all evil, nicotine loving minorities are banned equally, non-smoking, alcoholic majority is happy. Well practiced stealth vapists (so I hear) report they don't give a rats ... about the majority. ;-)

 

[Joka]

They can't stop me lol just because there are rules in place, doesn't mean I can't use my brain to decide what is right and wrong. Nobody will control me. Free country? Yes, or so they say. Free punch in the face for trying to take my $300+ vape away?

*cAtCh YoU oN tHe Flip SiDe*

 

[Robdob]

<sarcasm> Think of all the little children!

 

[Free6413]

This goes along with a Time Magazine front page photo commenting on industrial pollution. It had a CEO of a energy production company and in the background was a picture of a cooling tower that, with no knowledge, looks like it is putting plumes of smoke in the air. It looks like smoke and with the caption would be viewed as smoke. The truth is it is condensed water vapor from the cooling process of the water. Steam! That is what is wrong with the media today, they dress things up and spin them to provoke a certain way of thought. The sooner we start doing our own research and break the reliance of mainstream media for our opinions, the sooner this will become a better informed society.

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[KODIAK (TM)]

and vaping has no negative side effects that can be proven!

Therein lies the rub. From an anti-vaping point of view (not mine of course), they feel if they had monitored the dangers of tobacco sooner, the momentum would have been squelched and it would not have caused so much damage for so long.

But what this has to do with vaping is beyond me. It's mainly because our culture (over many decades now) has concluded that nicotine is basically tobacco and that all addiction is wrong.

 

[Little White Cloud]

Like State said it looks like smoke, you know, pure Evil. Never mind that people since the beginning of time smoked stuff, they were all just ignorant. Now we know better. As we all know smoke is the gateway to other substance abuse. If someone starts smoking or vaping what ever, they will undeniably be injecting themselves with hard drugs in no time. And if someone tries to tell you pills are drugs think again buster, that is medication. So unless you want to sell your soul to the Devil, you better stick with Medication. Now repeat after me. Everything is bad except Medication. Got it.

 

[Skorpeyon]

I'm in Ohio, and I work (at a newspaper) with a guy who is also a teacher at BGSU (Bowling Green State University) who told me that they were recently told to ALLOW e-cigarettes in classrooms. He was somewhat worried it would be distracting, but no one has even brought one in since this was mandated. That's all I've ever heard of with colleges vs. e-cigs, though, so I don't have more info. Just to say that some places are apparently perfectly fine with it.

 

[datacreek]

I'm 63 years old. When I was in college you could smoke in the classroom. I loved it, felt like I was being treated like an adult, and do not believe it was distracting in any way. It would only be distracting now because of the media.

I could also smoke outside the classroom in high school.

 

[Joka]

That sounds like Logans road house how they have peanuts all over the floor lol class rooms with piles of ashes everywhere...hey you know the answer to number 23? Pass the ash tray lol

*cAtCh YoU oN tHe Flip SiDe*

 

[charla.bacon]

No nicotine on University of Missouri campus. This includes dorms.

tobacco free since 8/03/2013

 

[mostlyclassics]

I take a very dark view of human nature, but understand that my views have been shaped by a fairly long life (I'm 65) and college training (my major was social anthropology, and I had a couple of seminars on field work). This view will also rub some people the wrong way, but I ask those who get their hackles up to think dispassionately about what I've said, and observe social behavior for a period of time before dismissing me out of hand.

It is a truism that people divide other people into "us" and "them." "We" are the folks possessed of admirable personal qualities and are outstanding citizens, faithful and loyal family members, etc. "Those" others, by contrast, are untrustworthy weasels, smelly, violent, criminals, relative-beaters, etc.

It used to be that "those" others were members of those "other" minorities, either ethnic minorities, differing religions or lower classes.

During Colonial times in Salem Village, Massachusetts, everyone was a WASP, so everyone was ethnically indistinguishable from everyone else. Some people became "us," and others became "witches" and "warlocks," and there were executions by hanging (one was even crushed to death with large stones). In 1930's Germany, the "others" were Jews, non-German ethnics and "undesirables," and those were executed, too. For quite a while in the post-Civil War South, the "others" were African-Americans, and there was a tragic history of executions, lynchings, and societal abuse and discrimination.

Enter multiculturalism. Now it is even forbidden to regard anyone in an "other" group as being an "other." It's reached the point where one cannot even disagree politically with someone in an "other" group lest you be immediately branded a racist.

But there's still that human need to divide the social world into "us" and "them." And the antis have decided that smokers, and now vapers, are the "others," to be shunned and reviled.

I'll go get my Nomex fireproof suit now. Have at me!

 

[datacreek]

No peanut shells or ashes on the floor. Ash trays were provided... it was a different time.

 

[KAI789]

Tennessee is surprisingly progressive about vaping, or at least, Middle TN is. My college is a dry and tobacco free campus, however, the latter isn't really enforced, and the former not so much during game day or at frat houses of course . However, there are some students who take offense to my vaping,and will ask me to put it away. Do I do so? Absolutely, but will I engage conversation on what it is? Absolutely depending on the type of person I feel they are.

My professors however, allow us to vape in the classroom provided we aren't cloud chasing.

 

[Zach904]

This goes along with a Time Magazine front page photo commenting on industrial pollution. It had a CEO of a energy production company and in the background was a picture of a cooling tower that, with no knowledge, looks like it is putting plumes of smoke in the air. It looks like smoke and with the caption would be viewed as smoke. The truth is it is condensed water vapor from the cooling process of the water. Steam! That is what is wrong with the media today, they dress things up and spin them to provoke a certain way of thought. The sooner we start doing our own research and break the reliance of mainstream media for our opinions, the sooner this will become a better informed society.

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We have a local generating plant that produces tons of what looks like pollution into the sky, but it utilizes "clean coal burning" and the smoke is basically vapor. I should mention this in my planned argument before the board of directors at my college. They have just recently enforced a ecig ban on campus, with the decision being made behind closed doors without it being brought to the attention of faculty. A professor who vapes brought it to my attention when he saw me vaping outside of class. Since there are no signs saying that ecigs are banned, I dismissed his warnings, and things went fine for several weeks. Not too long ago a security guard stopped me, and I was able to convince him what I was doing was fine. Just last week, it didn't go as well. Basically I challenged him as I have done in the past..
him-You cant smoke that
me-Im not smoking
him-you cant use that, they aren't allowed
me-Why?
him-No tobacco products on campus
me-oh this isn't a tobacco product, there isn't any tobacco
him-it has nicotine, you cant use it
me-actually there isn't any nicotine, look at my juice (I keep a bottle that says 0 nicotine on me)
This is the typical conversation I have and it always worked in past... this time... (and I was surprised at my quick thinking)
him-well the board of directors said that those are not allowed, they are not approved by the fda
me-oh, well neither is this (shows him my monster energy drink I happened to have)
him-I need you to come with me
Lol.. So I was taken to security, where I explained that I refused to recognize a rule that had no rationality behind it. They agreed that the ban needed clarification so now I am waiting on a reply to my paperwork requesting a formal meeting with the board to discuss the issue at hand.
I plan on showing the comparison between Nicorette mist- an FDA approved product that contains the ingredients of Eliquid PLUS half a dozen more chemicals. Using precedent, it could be argued that the ingredients of eliquid are already approved as seen in Nicorette Mist. I then plan to point out that there are non-fda approved products all over the campus (like energy drinks). Ban one thing, ban them all... I also plan on arguing that the ecig cant be banned based on it possibly containing nicotine. If they want to ban based on that premise, gum will also have to be completely banned as well as certain foods. If they argue about odor, ban the colognes and perfumes..

I hope to provide a convincing enough argument to leave them quiet in thought... At that point I will remind them that the college is an institute of higher education, and that I hope they place themselves at a higher standard than the general "act first, think later" behavior that seems to dominate today's society. If they can provide a logical reason for banning the ecig, then I could accept it. I refuse to recognize a ban that has no logical reasoning behind it, and an institute of higher education should not only respect that ideology, but encourage it.

 

[Sed Contra]

At the seminary where I'm working toward a doctorate, smoking is permitted outside, and most folks that see me vaping are probably just happy that I'm not smoking anymore.

At the university that I'm doing a certificate program, smoking is also permitted outside. It's a gated private Catholic university, and I've shown security my setup and asked if I might run into problems. Granted, I was wearing a clerical collar at the time, so I didn't expect them to say that there'd be problems for me.

 

[withravenoushunger]

My college just banned vaping. They already banned smoking on campus even outside. This is complete crap. They say their bans are for the health of the students but I don't understand how nicotine withdraw is supposed to help anything. Especially at a time when you need to be focused. I don't even think smoking should be banned. There should be designated smoking areas on campus. Also I should add that a couple of years ago they promoted the switch to e cigarettes. My health teacher even encouraged us to use them(in class too). I am very disappointed in my school.

 

[tj99959]

I went to school from 1946/47 to 1958/59. Yes it was a different time. Smoking was all the rage back then. No bad press, no health warnings ... nada. I don't remember ever hearing someone complain about not being able to smoke on school property. It was just a given that you couldn't. Hell, we got kicked out of class for chewing gum! Said the Pledge of Alegence every morning too!

Sometimes I think "you kids" take this personal liberties thing a bit to far.

 

[cocoloco]

Would it not be easier to just not vape where you can't smoke?

 

[DC2]

There is big money behind the Tobacco-Free Campus movement...
News | National Tobacco-Free College Campus Initiative
Smokefree and Tobacco-Free U.S. and Tribal Colleges and Universities
Tobacco Free College Campuses | ED.gov Blog

And that movement is funded by the same people that want to get rid of vaping.
And it is being pushed by the same people that want to get rid of vaping.

Therefore, they simply declare vaping to be the same as smoking.
And there you have it.