Would it be more accurate, useful or user friendly to know and control the temperature were vaping at? I understand needing to know all the other numbers were used to throwing around for purposes of battery and atomizer life, etc, etc. But what if we could dial in our temperature as we see fit. In a sense were already doing that but would temperature be easier to use and familiar to the masses? Is this even possible or has it been explored? I think with the numbers we already use and know plus a few more numbers like coil wire density and ambient air temperature it could be figured out before even building the coil. Mods could also have a temp sensor to let you monitor and adjust your vaping temperature. A good mod with VW, a wide voltage range and a atomizer that has the proper resistance you could dial in a wide range of temps. Is this possible? Useful? I'm fairly new to vaping and have never rebuilt an atomizer but I've been a service tech for 20 years and know my way around electronics. I've repaired hundreds of electric clothes dryers and ranges in my day and restored a couple dozen pinball machines. When I decide to start rebuilding atomizers I will have no trouble. Not everyone feels as comfortable with ohms law and the numbers that go along with it. If vaping by temperature was even feasible it might allow more people to get involved. Wouldn't it be so much easier to say "I like Vaping at 210 degrees" or "I like clear juices at 195* and dark juices at 210*". Is this possible?
Vaping by temperature? A question for people smarter than me.
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that sounds like it would be a cool way of vaping... dont know how feasible it would be without a whole new chip design and all that though.
ill let some of the "tech" guys figure that one out
ill let some of the "tech" guys figure that one out
I don't think the small range of workable temperatures would make a difference, nor do I think a temp readout would be accurate. The coil must be hot enough to vaporize the fluid. The more voltage, the hotter the coil. Different coils from different manufacturers would heat to different temps. The liquid would also affect it. With all the mods and stuff available, it would be impossible for the VV device manufacturers to accurately read the temperature of any attached mod. It's a cool idea, but from what little I know about electrical theory, I don't think it's possible.
I'm also thinking of light bulbs and how they're measured in temperature. Despite a manufacturer's best consistency efforts, the filaments probably vary in temperature quite a bit. The temp rating is simply a visual comparison rating as to what temp in the visual spectrum of light the color of the bulb represents, but the filaments itself does not necessarily burn at the temperature of the bulb rating.
I'm also thinking of light bulbs and how they're measured in temperature. Despite a manufacturer's best consistency efforts, the filaments probably vary in temperature quite a bit. The temp rating is simply a visual comparison rating as to what temp in the visual spectrum of light the color of the bulb represents, but the filaments itself does not necessarily burn at the temperature of the bulb rating.
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Not possible i don't believe but the more I think about it the more problems I do see. First off it would either need to be a device like the ego-c in which you only needed to change the tank or you would need to buy cartos, attys,tanks, etc made for your unit with the temp sensors built in. Unless the vaping industry slowly moved in this direction and everyone was on board. As far as accurate, I think it could be done but at what price. $$$$$ would be a problem now, in the future who knows. As far as temps changing with liquids, I think that's the point. To be able to adjust the temp to suit the liquid you were using. In 10 years when vaping is a household term and analogs are looked at like crack or herion who knows where we will be.
I absolutely agree with you. Real time temp monitoring at the coil is the ONLY way we are going to have any sort of accurate way to compare things. Wattage doesn't work. 10 watts on one head will be a different temperature than the next one.
Temperature could not be calculated, it would have to be monitored. There are far to many variables for a simple calculation like we do with watts.
I made a huge post about this a week or so ago. My idea was not only real time temp monitoring, but also on the fly adjustable coil surface area. Increasing voltage, and by default temperature, only works to increase vapor production, flavor, etc UP TO A DEGREE. After that point, the vapor will just get hotter, but you will not get any increase in vapor.
To increase vapor you need to increase surface area of the coil. More surface area at the same temperature means a much higher volume of vapor. Adjust your coil temp to reach your desired flavor and vapor temp. Then adjust your coil surface area to reach your desired amount of vapor.
To vary the coil's surface area, imagine a coil with 10 wraps. Then imagine a lead wire coming off EVERY coil. A standard 510 connection wouldn't work, you'd need a multi-pin connector, as surface area is adjusted by controlling how many of the coil's wraps are energized.
Pass current through the entire coil for the most surface area. Or to fine tune the vape play around with energizing different number of wraps. As you increase the number of wraps energized, the resistance will go up. Wattage, voltage, and resistance don't matter anymore with such a device.
Why? As I pointed out we are directly monitoring temperature at the coil. Not simply varying the voltage to try and get a specific coil temp. If you want to increase vapor you increase the number of wraps energized. The PV's controller would automatically adjust the voltage to maintain whatever temperature setting you have, regardless of how many coils you are energizing.
Such a device would be incredibly complicated and expensive. To cut down on costs the coil could be re-buildable, but with such a complicated coil design that could get very tricky. I also don't know how you'd get an accurate enough read on the temperature, while still keeping the overall device small, and self powered.
Just wishful thinking, but I enjoy wishful thinking. Hopefully one day we will get actual temperature monitoring instead of having to fool around with wattage and voltage numbers. They don't really mean much at all, actual temp would mean everything.
Temperature could not be calculated, it would have to be monitored. There are far to many variables for a simple calculation like we do with watts.
I made a huge post about this a week or so ago. My idea was not only real time temp monitoring, but also on the fly adjustable coil surface area. Increasing voltage, and by default temperature, only works to increase vapor production, flavor, etc UP TO A DEGREE. After that point, the vapor will just get hotter, but you will not get any increase in vapor.
To increase vapor you need to increase surface area of the coil. More surface area at the same temperature means a much higher volume of vapor. Adjust your coil temp to reach your desired flavor and vapor temp. Then adjust your coil surface area to reach your desired amount of vapor.
To vary the coil's surface area, imagine a coil with 10 wraps. Then imagine a lead wire coming off EVERY coil. A standard 510 connection wouldn't work, you'd need a multi-pin connector, as surface area is adjusted by controlling how many of the coil's wraps are energized.
Pass current through the entire coil for the most surface area. Or to fine tune the vape play around with energizing different number of wraps. As you increase the number of wraps energized, the resistance will go up. Wattage, voltage, and resistance don't matter anymore with such a device.
Why? As I pointed out we are directly monitoring temperature at the coil. Not simply varying the voltage to try and get a specific coil temp. If you want to increase vapor you increase the number of wraps energized. The PV's controller would automatically adjust the voltage to maintain whatever temperature setting you have, regardless of how many coils you are energizing.
Such a device would be incredibly complicated and expensive. To cut down on costs the coil could be re-buildable, but with such a complicated coil design that could get very tricky. I also don't know how you'd get an accurate enough read on the temperature, while still keeping the overall device small, and self powered.
Just wishful thinking, but I enjoy wishful thinking. Hopefully one day we will get actual temperature monitoring instead of having to fool around with wattage and voltage numbers. They don't really mean much at all, actual temp would mean everything.
its actually not that difficult to fit a small temp sensor inside a wick. they make very small temp probs just for that purpose. I've thought about that idea and its not that difficult to do either.
It could be done, but you would have to redesign the mod and a new delivery system (clearo/carto/atty/bcc/rba) in parallel. Also, you would need a new connector type to connect the delivery device to the mod, allowing for an additional connection for the signal coming back down from the probe. Maybe a center pin in the 510 connector, or a twist lock connector cap instead of threaded connector allowing for 2 lines (positive and thermal signal) and the base (ground). After that, its just coding up a program that would allow a voltage dynamic based on the temp reading with a user enterable temperature.
Good stuff, you've been thinking. I like that. Vaping is still new but all this is coming in due time.
Mine is hot, even burning my inner lips. Ive been thinking of adding a tiny bit of baking soda, perhaps to reduce acid content. Smart people, what would happen if I did this? Would the ecig or I blow up? If not, any suggestions for amount to try? Reading and learning. Thanks for any help
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What pv are you using? If its vv or vv/vw - just turn it down. Personally I wouldn't want baking powder affecting the taste and I think if anything it would gunk up the coils on the attachment. You haven't given much onfo here tho so I'm guessing a bit as to what you're using. If you want help on the forum give people info - what set up you are using, what volts or watts you're at, etc
And yeah - if its variable then just turn it down a bit.
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I think you are on the wrong track. Assuming the wick is wet, and not dry, the temperature is not going to get above the boiling point of your juice.
It would be like saying, do I want water to boil at 250 degrees, or 150 degrees?
It would be like saying, do I want water to boil at 250 degrees, or 150 degrees?
igo 650 from nhaler. 2.8 clearomizers seem to be ok, but they mostly send 2.4 and it makes quite a difference. I tried the variables, but they seem to be both hotter and larger. I actually just tested a tiny bit of baking soda (I always mix up powder and soda in my mind, but not in reality). It dissolves. It seems to help.A little smokier, but I don't mind that. I use the replaceable clearomizer innards, so it may be OK. And it may be acidity rather than heat, mostly, in my case. I use a mix of peach flavors to get a peach I like. I do let it sit a week or two to age. There are too many numbers in this system. Its crazy, we're not all electrical engineers. Again, I do not recommend this for anyone, its just an idea, and to say I understand the heat problem.
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Yes, 2.4 ohms can make quite a difference after a higher res. Thanks for the reply.
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