Vaping cough in the morning

[Kazuko]

Thanks a lot everyone!

 

[Opinionated]

I actually eat my breakfast before I try to vape, including drinking part of my morning coffee. And I do take a sip of coffee each time I take a puff, even the smallest one, it helps to calm my throat.



I don't use e-juice calculators, I didn't even know those existed I simply do the maths, I don't think there are lots of ways that my maths could be off though.

For exemple, if I want 15% of my mix to be flavor, and those 15% are 10ml, I'd make a total mix of 10/15*100=66,667ml (rounded to 65, since the pouring is still approximate). So, basically I need to add 55ml of base to the mix. So, if it's a 20/80 base, and the flavor is 100% PG, the actual VG ratio would be 80*55/65=~67, so approximately 30/70, right?


I didn't think the tank/coil design could impact the throat irritation though, I thought only the vape components & amount caused it.
Also, what kind of drip tip could reduce this kind of irritation ? Atm I have the stock 510, kinda short drip-tip :

If your making 60ml of 80vg/20pg juice and you have 15% flavoring that is PG based and your making it to total 6mg nicotine and your nicotine base is suspended in VG at 100mg/ml then your totals would be:

3.6 ml nicotine base
3 ml PG
44.4 ml VG
9 ml flavoring
__________
60 ml ejuice

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[Kazuko]

I don't have the nicotine aside, I actually use the premade kits from Supervape, they have just the right amount of base and nicotine boosters to make 200ml of nicotined base, so it's already 6mg/ml before I add the nicotine.
I probably should check the prices for separate items so I can be closer to the nicotine and VG amount I seek!

 

[Nate5700]

Vaping burns my throat in the mornings too. At least for me, I think it has to do with a couple of things, first that as others have said your lungs have gone without vaping for a few hours so they're more sensitive. I've also noticed that I feel throat hit and peppery taste from nicotine more when the nicotine in my system is lower. Even if it's not from vaping, like if I use gum or snus and then vape, I get less throat hit.

I like to vape first thing too. I do MTL so I just take shorter puffs first thing in the morning until I get less sensitive to it. I'd guess turning down the power as others have suggested might help too. I don't cause I already vape at the lowest power my mod will do.

 

[Kazuko]

So, I tried another drip tip this morning, after taking a few coughing puffs with my usual one. I borrowed one from my gf, she has one that is twice the height of mine, and a bit thinner. I took two puffs, at least 1 second each, and even if it did tickle, it really smoothed things up!
I then switched back to my usual drip tip, and my throat was warmed up, so I could take pretty decent puffs, considering the ones that made me cough 2 minutes earlier

I will definitely consider buying one for myself (she needs the extra drip tip throughout the day, and I don't wanna borrow it every morning). I'll give it another try tomorrow morning, maybe try hers first thing, before I actually vape with mine, to make sure it was not some placebo-ish effect (which I doubt, but the brain sure has its ways sometimes).

Many thanks to you @Opinionated, I never would've thought of the drip tip, but it did work!

 

[Upinsmoke]

Is it because of the PG, or because of the flavor itself?
And basically, using less flavor in my mix could help me vape more in the morning?

Being quite new to vaping, I'm not even sure about the 15%, it tastes really sweet but unless I take huge puffs, I don't really get the strawberry/rasoberry flavor I'm supposed to have. I've blamed it on the coil not being hot enough with small puffs, thus not producing lots of flavor, but I'm thinking I may have put too much in the mix, making it taste too "chemical", is it a possibility?

IMO it's the flavour and the PG.
Assuming in France you have the same availability as in UK.
If your mixing your own this is how I do it.
1 digital scales accurate to 0.1G
VG pharmaceutical grade from pharmacy
Nicotine shots 10ml 18mg/ml in VG.
Flavour. Mostly all are PG.
Sometimes a little pure grain alcohol.
Adds a kick while thinning the juice. No more than 2% of total mix.

Using one of the calculators like Steam engine in weight mode , mix away .
I do mine in 60ml bottles.
50 ml of juice with one 10ml nicotine shot gives a finished product at 3mg/ml.
Mixing in smaller quantities is advisable in case you make something horrid .
Take a look at DIY section for recipes.

 

[Kazuko]

Flavour. Mostly all are PG.
Sometimes a little pure grain alcohol.
Adds a kick while thinning the juice. No more than 2% of total mix.

Yeah it's a 100% PG flavor, but I've been advised to make it between 10 and 20% of my total mix (more like 15-20 if I make it high VG). It's a fruit flavor, not tobacco one, I've read that tobacco flavors should account for max 3% of their mixes.

 

[Upinsmoke]

Yeah it's a 100% PG flavor, but I've been advised to make it between 10 and 20% of my total mix (more like 15-20 if I make it high VG). It's a fruit flavor, not tobacco one, I've read that tobacco flavors should account for max 3% of their mixes.

dobroeutroUltra MemberECF Veteran
Raspberry Doodle
Raspberry (CAP) 10%
Sugar Cookie (CAP) 5%
Vanilla Custard (CAP) 5%
Sweetner (Sucralose) 1%

30/70 PG/VG .6mg

This is an example from the DIY section .
Your finished juice is going to be 21% PG even if every other part is VG.
Think of it like cooking.
You can add more of something , but you can't take it out.

 

[Kazuko]

dobroeutroUltra MemberECF Veteran
Raspberry Doodle
Raspberry (CAP) 10%
Sugar Cookie (CAP) 5%
Vanilla Custard (CAP) 5%
Sweetner (Sucralose) 1%

30/70 PG/VG .6mg

This is an example from the DIY section .
Your finished juice is going to be 21% PG even if every other part is VG.
Think of it like cooking.
You can add more of something , but you can't take it out.

I suck at cooking...

I hear you, I guess I'll go for a full VG base from now on, get the nicotine boosters separately, and make accurate calculations for the actual concentrations I want.

I also need to wait for my taste buds to "revive". It's only been 2 months since I switched from cigarettes to vaping, so far my nose has come back to life (actually I'm way more sensitive to bad smells, but not so much to good smells yet, but I guess it's still a work in progress), but the taste is taking some more time...
Also, maybe I should make smaller batches and more of them, this way I'll be able to try more things and also give the batches more time to steep

 

[BrotherBob]

if I hardcore vape on 0mg for like 10 minutes, will I be able to take a normal puff on 6mg, or will my throat still reject the nicotine income this early?)
I'm quite new to vaping, I bought my first (and only, for now) kit almost two months ago, didn't smoke any "stinky" since then

Since vaping is totally scalable, the choice you have can be overwhelming. The main thing to remember is, part of vaping is all about you the vaper, being in control and the freedom to fix/tailor any aspect of vaping you feel you need to improve upon. Do what works for you.
Might like to read:
Why is My Ejuice Harsh? (Beginner DIY Ejuice Tips) – DIY OR DIE Vaping
Coughing at the begining
A list of symptoms when quitting tobacco and changing to an ecigarette
Fun part:
Cloud Chasers
10 of the Best Vaping Tricks: How To & Videos - Ecigclopedia

 

[Kazuko]

Fun part:
Cloud Chasers
10 of the Best Vaping Tricks: How To & Videos - Ecigclopedia

Was it so obvious that I was attracted to clouds and tricks?
Thanks for all the links, I'll read them right away!

 

[RedBullBabe]

Unfortunately I can't drink water before some time after waking up, or it just tastes gross... but good to know!

I hate(d) the taste of water too, and would get stomachache also. Try switching to bottled water. I found it helped immensely. 500ml upon waking. I tend to get 5ltr bottles the cheapest (€1.49 ish from Aldi).

I've found coffee or tea do not reduce quenching thirst though. They're not rehydrating drinks. I'm not saying ditch the coffee, just first thing, it's important to replace what fluids you lost while sleeping.

I use my Fitbit to keep track of my water intake. I used to have to monitor it a lot - before I formed a habit of keeping my fluids up. Before that I had a simple habit tracker app. Most of the good free ones start off simple with "a glass of water upon waking", with a reminder and motivational prompts/achievements. I think my main loved one was called Fabulous. It just introduced one first, so no bombarding with a lot of changes at once that would end up quitting it. Just remember what other "suggestions" these apps have to make a morning/afternoon/evening habit are just that and don't have to be taken on.

 

[Kazuko]

I hate(d) the taste of water too, and would get stomachache also. Try switching to bottled water. I found it helped immensely. 500ml upon waking. I tend to get 5ltr bottles the cheapest (€1.49 ish from Aldi).

In my area (the french Alps) tap water is remarkably pure and good to drink, it actually tastes a lot better than bottle water (which I dislike anytime of the day, I only drink it when there's no other option, like when I'm out hiking).
I'll definitely consider drinking fruit juice in the morning though, the only hassle will be managing the stock and not being yelled at by my gf 'cause I "drank it all and there's not even a glass left" (yeah she gets grumpy easily in the morning)

I've found coffee or tea do not reduce quenching thirst though. They're not rehydrating drinks. I'm not saying ditch the coffee, just first thing, it's important to replace what fluids you lost while sleeping.

I actually read an article just yesterday evening where I learned that, indeed, caffeinated beverages do not help dehydration, much the opposite really. Which is not good news since I almost only drink coffee during working hours (1 long cup in the morning, and the same in the afternoon), I should be more careful with my water intakes. I don't really like activity/health tracking apps, but I might give it a try, depending on how things evolve. Thanks for the advices!

 

[RedBullBabe]

Anything wet, without caffeine, is better than nothing I'm sure.

The Fabulous app I mentioned is more mental health orientated, if I recall correctly. There's a few others that game based, that unlock awards for like an avatar within the app, and you can set any thing to be a goal/habit to learn. You're bound to find at least one to your liking. Just search "habit tracker". I think I tried about ten different ones in a row.

 

[stols001]

That is really useful, @RedBullBabe , I am going to check some of those out myself! Self regulation, well, I know *I* can use some help in that arena....

Anna

 

[RigBick]

(Second thread in an hour of time, I'm on fire!)

Hi everyone,

In the path to clarifying all the topics that bug me, I've found a lot of answers on this forum, but there are some others which are yet to find a really satisfactory answer.

The topic I will raise in this thread is the morning cough I experience.
I do cough in the morning, and can't take a puff any larger than 1 second for like the first hour I've awoken, even when lowering the watts.
My throat simply can't take vape in the morning, but as a smoker, lighting a stinky (rolled, furthermore), was the very first thing I did in the morning (even though my gf hated it and insisted on eating something first, so that smoke wasn't the first thing my body received after the night).
My girlfriend, who started vaping at the same time I did, does not experience that cough. She take can decent cow-boy puffs is the morning without efforts (she keeps smoking though, got from 15 a day to around 5, not sure if it's related). However, I did find posts on this forum about people coughing the same way I do. I've read that it may be the throat or lungs healing themselves, and they could be more sensitive to vape after a whole night of enjoying clean air.

I've read that vaping 0mg helped to "warm up" the throat for vape, and did not cause any cough.
Still, it's gonna be hard to manage 0mg & 6mg in the same clearo, so if I want to vape 0mg, I'd have to get another clearo (and I'd probably go for 100VG 0mg juice, 'cause I'm not gonna lie, I like clouds, and if I can practice some tricks on 0mg and spare my throat & nic level in blood, all the better) (I vape 20/80 atm) (actually, since 15% of my juice is flavor, and flavor is really 100% PG, it's 33/67, which bugs me, cause I really wanted the increase the VG in my juice, but it's a whole other subject and I'm going off-topic).

So, I'm really just wondering if it's worth the investment : I only vape one flavor, and don't know how long I'll stick my with current mod, so I don't really want to invest a lot on clearos and stuff, I only have the stock one and am happy with it, the only reason I'd need another is that I use drop-in coils, not RDAs or reconstructible stuff, so changing the juice, then waiting for the wick to be nicotine-free, and this every morning, I'd really be a waste of juice & quite a hassle.
Plus, I'm really tight on budget these days (months), so even a 30€ expense is something to consider (there's a shop close to my home, where I can get the same clearo I have for 20€, 250ml base for 8€, and I'd add an empty bottle). I'd also have to maintain another clearo with fresh coils (for both my gf and I, the vapor fades and starts tasting ashy after roughly 5 days of vaping), so that's another cost to consider.

I know you guys can't just say "go for it", or "no it's not worth it".
I guess, my real question is this : does vaping 0mg actually help the throat accepting nicotine vape in the morning? (Meaning, if I hardcore vape on 0mg for like 10 minutes, will I be able to take a normal puff on 6mg, or will my throat still reject the nicotine income this early?)

My issues were similar. But in order for me to vape the amount of nicotine I require to not smoke Stinky's is that I just had to push through it. I raised my nicotine I lowered my nicotine. I took the big puffs. I took little puffs. In the morning I had to take medium puffs and then kind of hold them and release them gradually to not cough. But for me I just had to work through it. Although I am still smoking some. And what I say is certainly not sound advice. It just took me awhile and still does I just work with it do my best not to cough and after a good puffer to I'm in the game. And then I do real well hardly think about smoking but it's that time in the morning when I have a hard time taking a good Vape and getting my nicotine that I tend to cave in and light up. Sorry rambling and poor grammar but anyways that is my experience.

 

[RedBullBabe]

@stols001 Ha ha! Good luck!

I always added an existing daily habit as well, to help get used to going into the app and checking it off as done for the day - like after I take my medication.

 

[Asbestos4004]

I just power through it like a Boss .