Vaping - Day One.

[IncD]

Hi all,

Today is my first day vaping full time and I'm experiencing some issues and have some questions.

I bought two Vision Spinner 900 mAh Variable Voltage batteries, a Kanger Mini Protank 2, and a Kanger EVOD Clearomizer from a local store (River City Vapes in Edmonton) after doing a lot of research spanning about a month. I picked up a number of 18mg juices ( I smoked about a half pack a day) so I have the best chance to keep with the program.

The issue I'm finding is that I think I'm not getting enough nicotine, and i seem to be using my PV often and for extended periods of time. I'm inhaling slowly and for at least 5 seconds then I hold it in my mouth for about 3 seconds before a shallow pull into my lungs then a slow exhale through my nose, and it seems like I'm vaping maybe 6 to 10 times every hour or hour and a half. It seems like I'm costantly vaping all day and I still feel like I need more the whole time, yet I notice I feel ever so slightly queasy which makes my think that perhaps I've had enough. Does anyone have any idea what may be happening?

since I've been using it all day, I'm almost out of fluid and want to change flavors but I'm unsure if washing my Mini Protank 2 will hurt the disposable part (I can't remember what they are called at the moment. Atomizers?) of it, or if I need to change it with a new one when I switch juice flavors. Also is there anything else I have to do after washing the tank (it sounds like hot water and maybe soap is all I need to clean it) before I put new juice in?

Thanks in advance, and I'm really glad I found this place!

 

[Ryedan]

Hi IncD and welcome to ECF!

You've got good hardware. It is not at all unusual for people to vape a lot when they first quit smoking. You say you vape 6 to 10 times every hour. Does that mean you take 6 - 10 puffs an hour? Also, how much juice would you say you vape per day in ml? Or, if you have say a 10 ml bottle, how long did it last?

 

[frank.gotch]

The disposable part is the atomizer. You can just take that out, wash the tank with warm water, put it back in and refill with juice and start vaping again, but you may some get some of the previous flavor if you do that.

If you have more atomizers, you can that one out and replace it with a new one. Wash the used one under warm running water then let it soak in warm water for an hour. Then let it dry out for 24 hours, then keep rotating the 2 atomizers, switching and washing 1 every night. That's what I do.

For the vaping too much and feeling queasy, I did the same thing the first couple of days, but I hit my stride, I'm sure you will too.

Good luck!

 

[ShariR]

Welcome to ECF. Hi IncD. The first few days can be rather confusing and you need to find out what is going to work good for you. Everyone is a little different. Congratulations on your first day of vaping.

Ok, when I started almost 6 months ago I found what worked for me was to vape at the times when I would usually smoke. Since I did not smoke in the house it was easy to pace myself. I would vape for about 10 minutes every hour to hour and a half. The queasy feeling may be that you could be getting too much nicotine or are not drinking enough water. You need to drink a LOT of water to keep yourself hydrated.

Have you had a chance to read threads in the Health forum? It would be a good idea to go over there and do some reading of withdrawal symptoms from stopping cigarettes and on too much nicotine. This will give you an idea of what is what.

Rinsing the Protank in hot running water is a good idea. The head is removable and can also be rinsed. You need to vape with dry heads, so when you wash one, let it dry overnight and put a new one in for the mean time. You can hand dry the tank itself, put a new head in and vape away. Heads should last you several tankfuls/days before you need to change them or rinse them off depending on the juice you are using. Very dark and thick juices will gunk it up faster than the clear light ones. You can usually tell when it is time when the juice starts to taste off. If it tastes burnt, turn down the voltage a bit.

Some people will just refill the tank with a new flavor (try to stay with similar flavors or ones that might be complimentary) and vape through the flavor transition. Many people will have several tanks filled with different flavors and just switch tanks.

I use Joye 510 atomizers that I drip juice into to test out juices. I like dripping so much that this is the main method I use to vape. It makes it much easier for me to switch flavors. And it is very cheap for me to vape this way. I get my attys from DigitalCiggz.com for $2 or less each and they last me a few weeks. Throw them out when they die. I only use my Evods when I am going out.

I am sure there will be more people along soon to give you some more tips and tricks. You are doing a great job. You sound like you are having a better start at it than I did. Good job. This does work. You will find that the longer you vape the less you will want a cigarette.

Since you were smoking half a pack a day I would suggest that you may want to get a bottle of juice at 12mg nicotine if you find yourself vaping a lot. This way you may not get that queasy feeling. I had to use 24mg because I smoked 2 pad and 18mg did not cut the cravings for me. I do not think you need it, but having a small bottle of it for bad cravings may be an idea.

 

[Hellspeaker]

It may even end up being that you need something with a stronger nic content, 15 worked for me right off the bat, but some of my friends needed higher, the 15 wouldn't do it for them. I was a light smoker before i made the change however. It is all based on you. You will figure it all out man, the first few days are trial and error. Not a bad first set up! Keep on keepin' on!

 

[IncD]

Thank you Frank from the simple and effective solution, I'm trying that as we speak.

Ryedan - I filled the Mini Protank yesterday at the store where I bought my hardware then using it today for the first time it's close to dry. I take 6 to 10 puffs in a row with 30 ish seconds between them then feel the need for more in about an hour or so. And maybe it's exactly as you both mentioned, heavy usage during the transition phase.

 

[IncD]

Thanks ShariR and Hellspeaker for the advice and support! What do you mean when you say dripping?

 

[Farx]

Well the thing is, that when you smoke tobacco you are not only affected by the nicotine. The tobacco plant contains several chemical that are belived to act as mao-inhibitors which increase the effect you get from the nicotine in the tobacco. Studies have actually shown that rats get more addicted to tobacco extracts than from rats that were only given the same dose of only nicotine. Because of this you may well need more nicotine when you start vaping because you get less effect from the nicotine alone.

Be4 i started vapin i smoked 1,5-2 packs of cigarettes containing 0,5 mg of nicotine per day, so somewhere arround 15-20 mg per day. When i started vapin i would use somewhere arround 2-2,5 ml of 24mg liquid a day and i had no nicotine cravings when i vaped those amounts. A while later i switched to 16 mg e liquid and it worked fine.

 

[yardbyrd]

The sound of a broom sweeping the floor is heard and suddenly YardByrd appears above! A plain brown wooden perch appears on the floor of the "Vaping Day One Thread" and he glides down onto to it. A platinum "YB" medallion around his neck is glowing a brownish beige and you hear a deep, smooth, male, Latin, voice translating for him: "Hail, lauds and greetings IncD! First: Way to go on the starting to vape! Secondly get 5 posts under your belt so you can move more freely about ECF and read, study, and learn.

You need to know what Resistance the coils (referred to hereafter as "Heads") are in your Protank 2 mini and EVOD. Since your batteries can adjust the amount of voltage to them exercise care. I offer this link, to another thread, and see Post #2 and click on the word "LINK" to view a safe vaping chart that shows the safe areas, by ohms (resistance) when various voltages are applied. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/variable-voltage-apv-discussion/334318-safe-vaping-power-chart.html You can adjust the amount of vapor, its temperature, and flavor of whatever e-liquids you are vaping. Get to know the resistance, in ohms, of any and all supply devices and replacement heads you own or buy. A quick rule of thumb is that if you are experiencing a "burnt" taste is to back off of the Voltage setting. Too much voltage for the resistance will cause a coil to pop. Both of these tanks have replaceable heads that can be purchased with various resistances expressed in OHMS. The higher the resistance the more voltage they can take offering a wider range of voltage settings on your spinners. I suggest always starting at 3.7 volts. If you don't think you like the warmth, amount of vapor, or flavor, try going up (or down) in .1 or .2 increments of voltage.

Vaping will dry you out. Make sure you stay well hydrated. This may be a contributing factor to the "queasiness" as well.

When I clean my Protank 2 mini I remove the dark base and run it under slightly hot tap water. I fill the tank up and hold my index finger and thumb, in one hand, over the holes and shake it. I carefully hold the tank and lightly "sling" out the water that doesn't just drip out. Avoid using soap...it could taint your e-liquid and I don't think anyone wants to vape soap! Once you can move freely about ECF you can then search for topics that will assist you further."

The broom is back and sweeping toward Yardbyrd! He hops into the air and lands on his perch, which vanishes, and takes flight just ahead of the broom, exiting to the left, the broom following, and you hear his farewell: "CAW!"

 

[frank.gotch]

Shari is so right about the water, I've been drinking about 10 bottles a day just at home.

 

[IncD]

I never actually considered water. I don't take in a lot of fluids under the best circumstances so I think that may be something I should look into.

 

[frank.gotch]

I never actually considered water. I don't take in a lot of fluids under the best circumstances so I think that may be something I should look into.

Neither did I, but dehydration made sense for some of the weirdness I was feeling the first few days so I made a conscious effort to start. I believe I read pg or VG causes dehydration.

 

[yardbyrd]

There is a pop like a firecracker going off and suddenly YardByrd appears, levitating in mid air; his YB medallion is still glowing brownish beige and you hear that deep, smooth, male, Latin, voice again:

"PG and VG are expressed % amounts like 80PG/20VG. Both of these ingredients are United States Pharmaceutical (food) Grade and make up the bulk of e-liquid with flavorings and Pharmaceutical grade liquid nicotine. PG - USP Propylene Glycol VG-Vegetable Glycerine. PG is absolutely known to dry one out. Some are sensitive to PG all the way up to being allergic. The DIY thread contains good information regarding both. Again....hang in there IncD!" The firecracker pops again, and YardByrd disappears with a characteristic farewell: "CAW!"

 

[Amiaji]

Lots of good answers on here already so I'll just say...

Hello and welcome to ECF!

 

[NT_Pork_Hunt]

I never actually considered water. I don't take in a lot of fluids under the best circumstances so I think that may be something I should look into.

That's what every one is here for mate, to give you pointers to help you head in the right direction with some solid advice.

I "may" swap water for beer after working hours but the hydration level definitely gets kept up...lol.

I look at it as conducting research and ensuring my vaping works, and it does.

And don't worry too much about how much you vape, I unashamedly chain vape when I'm at home and "re-hydrating" after a big day.

 

[Ryedan]

Ryedan - I filled the Mini Protank yesterday at the store where I bought my hardware then using it today for the first time it's close to dry. I take 6 to 10 puffs in a row with 30 ish seconds between them then feel the need for more in about an hour or so. And maybe it's exactly as you both mentioned, heavy usage during the transition phase.

You already got some great info here IncD. Just wanted to add a couple of things. You are vaping around 1 - 1 1/2 ml a day, which is quite low. The slight queasiness is one of the symptoms of too much nicotine. Everyone is different in their tolerance for the stuff and there is no easy correlation of nic absorbed from smoking compared to vaping. I would try 12 mg juice as Shari said and see if that's better. I would also try to not vape so many puffs in a short period of time, rather vape more puffs an hour spaced further apart. Average juice consumption is 3 - 4 ml a day, with some at the low end like you and some people over 10 ml.

There is a lot more to cigarette addiction than nicotine addiction. I actually don't find nic addicting on its own, without the other stuff. When I got smoke pangs when I first quit I used to vape more to get through them. I also had to lower my nic level so I didn't get nauseous when I did that.

Best of luck with it

 

[Ryedan]

I "may" swap water for beer after working hours but the hydration level definitely gets kept up...lol.

I consider coffee, tea and softdrinks hydrating, but I draw the line at beer. Now, I'm not saying I don't have a beer (or six) once in a while

, but I do know that's not gonna do anything good for my hydration level, LOL

 

[BillyWJ]

Thank you Frank from the simple and effective solution, I'm trying that as we speak.

Ryedan - I filled the Mini Protank yesterday at the store where I bought my hardware then using it today for the first time it's close to dry. I take 6 to 10 puffs in a row with 30 ish seconds between them then feel the need for more in about an hour or so. And maybe it's exactly as you both mentioned, heavy usage during the transition phase.

Another thing to keep in mind is that you're getting nicotine without all of the garbage the cigarettes have in them, that make the nicotine enter your body differently than a cigarette, so it's going to take some getting used to - and when I switched, even though I stopped thinking about cigs completely, I vaped like a FIEND. The queasiness may be from ingesting some liquid, I know I felt that a time or two, starting out.

Just remember, vaping is not bad for you. If you need to vape every half hour, DO IT. It'll take a couple days, if not weeks for some people, for it to all settle in. Let your body tell you when you've had enough nicotine (the habit part of smoking will be working against you there). Our bodies are pretty smart, they tell us everything we need to know, if we're smart enough to listen. For me it was headaches - it was a sign to put the PV down for a while.

A mini ProTank in one day is only 1.5ml, and that's if you fill it right to the brim. That's nothing, I can go through 4-5ml a day, easy!

 

[ShariR]

Thanks ShariR and Hellspeaker for the advice and support! What do you mean when you say dripping?

Dripping is a technique used when you drip drops of juice directly into an atomizer without a tank of any sort. There are atomizers you can purchase that are designed for this. Here are a couple of blog posts regarding this great way to taste your juices. Most people who try it either love it or hate it. This is the old school way of doing it. There are also RBA - rebuildable dripping atomizers, which is a more advanced method to drip where you need to build your own coils and wicks.

ECF member Ocelot has written a great blog about dripping and how to do it. Search for her under blogs. Both she and Baditude have written blogs about cartotanks and battery safety, etc. Excellent information by a couple of our veteran members here.

Here is a thread on dripping that is frequented by other of our veterans. Good reading and the members are active there so ask questions.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...405910-regular-atty-drippers-dying-breed.html

Here are a few more resources for you to explore.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/337017-inhalation-technique-e-cigarette.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/pay-forward-pif/418767-deals-steals.html

Here is where you can trade juices.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-please-read-first-post-rules-guidelines.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-please-read-first-post-rules-guidelines.html

And a top 5 juice vendor thread. May help you find your favorite.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...discussion/304212-top-5-vendors-e-liquid.html

 

[IncD]

I have a lot of things I have to try out now to make sure my transition to not smoking is as smooth as possible, so thank you all for the great advice!