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G'morning ECF! After much research and consideration I made an order for a new PV kit and anxiously await its arrival. During my research, I had many thoughts and concerns about my decision to make the jump into the realm of vaping. So here it is! I have a four year old son. He's always been a very well behaved child, always respectful of other people's property and personal space. Not the kind of kid that makes a habit of getting into things he knows he's not supposed to. However, I feel it is paramount that as a responsible parent that I make informed decisions with the highest consideration of my childs safety. That being said, knowledge is power! So what have I considered?

E liquid: A notice to vendors and affiliates! Please! Make sure that you clearly state on your site whether or not your liquids come in 'child-proof' containers. In my own opinion it should be a minimum requirement. (Maybe it is, but many sites I visited during my research did not clearly specify) But parents and caretakers 'child-proof' does not make it impervious to a child! We should always go the extra mile in ensuring our children cannot gain access to our liquids or any of our DIY supplies. My plan on doing this is to purchase my own lock box for my supplies with a key or combination lock. I have also cleared a space at the very top of my closet in my room for said box.

Syringes- whatever type, should certainly be behind a lock any time it is not being used! If any of my equipment requires a syringe I will only use the blunt tip types available.

5-click protection- while not an overly sophisticated mechanic, it does add a slight bit of protection against a child picking it up and emulating a parents actions.

Carrying cases / case chargers- I'm sure there's got to be a way we can add a lock to a charging case or carrying case. Even if it was a slide lock and very discreet it could be effective against curious little hands. The carrying case or purse is where our VP's will go when not in use, and when visiting friends or family. Wouldn't it be a great idea to have a bit of security while out and about? Is this something that could be reasonably implemented?

Knowledge: As I said, my son is four. However - I have taken the time to educate not only myself but him as well. My son knows that I used to smoke and is very happy with my recent decision to quit. We had a nice discussion about what my 'ecig' is, how it works and what I use it for. I only refer to it as a tool. He recognizes all of it's individual parts (not including the charger) as part of Mom's tool. In my personal belief, educating him (even at only the age of four) is the absolute best protection I can give and the best defense against accidents. He knows what it is when he sees it. I have taken the time to explain what it does as best I can. He doesn't know how to put it together or make it work - just that it's a part of mom's tool and that has satisfied his curiosity.

Learning from history: I smoked my first cigarette at the age of 9. I had an abundance of parental supervision. My parents and family did take quite a bit of care in attempting to keep cigarettes out of my reach. However for my little determined mind there was no stopping me. I took cigarettes from my family here and there until about 16 when I reached the pack-a-day level of habit. That has continued for ten years. It is only two small weeks ago that I took this step away from tobacco. My point here is that although I had great parents who did their best to keep me away from cigarettes, they did not educate me. They did not become an influence against smoking- rather they just tried to shelter me from it. My hope is that by educating my kid on what it is, what it's used for and combining that knowledge with precautions will be effective and safe.

So what about you guys n gals? Any advice? Tips? Tell me what you think!
 

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While I can understand your concerns, and those might be good options for some, if offered they should be just that options. As the flip side of that is there are people who vape that could have problems with even something as simple as a slider lock on a case or the "adult proof" caps, and yes I know they say child proof, but how many people when they want a child proof container open have to hand it to their child.
 

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Good for you for deciding to quit and for thinking all of this through! Sounds like you've covered all your bases.

I have 1 year old son, who just recently started walking and climbing everything. Right now we have to watch him like a hawk, so I know if he gets into something right away. At this point, I'm comfortable with keeping everything in a box, in the top of the closet. When it's not in my mouth, my PV is on a high surface that's out of reach for him. I know I definitely can't drip regularly because I'm too nervous leaving the bottles of e-liquid sitting out. I use a vivi nova and stardusts, fill them up as needed, then pack everything back up and into the closet.

I'm hoping by the time he's old enough to "educate" about my PV, I'll have quit vaping because we will likely try for another pregnancy. Right now, he's not too interested in it, which surprises me. He sees me use it, but doesn't seem to want to play with it. I'm afraid that if I showed it to him and told him it was a "no" that would just make him get that mischievous look and then go for it.

I never smoked in the car with my son in it, but I have vaped. I do open the window a bit, but I'm still nervous about doing it. And of course I never smoked indoors but I do vape there, sometimes in the same room as him. I'm not sure how I feel about it, or how safe it is. My husband says, "I'm sure it's fine as long as you're not blowing it in his face." I'm wondering if anyone has any opinions or information about second hand vapor? I understand that the PG/VG solution is safe - my main concern is that there is nicotine in what I'm exhaling.
 
@Clovery I agree with your concerns, and I do share them! I do need to do more research for myself to find the most updated information. From what I have read there is nicotine in the exhaled vapor (very small amount) but I'm not sure if it evaporates or not. (Maybe there's some info here on the forums that I haven't found yet)

Keeping it out of reach is of course great for now. I wouldn't try to teach anything to your lil guy until he becomes interested in it. It may be sooner or later depending on the kid ya know? Mine happened to be very curious and inquisitive. I'm sure it would vary between kids. I have a couple of not so well behaved nephews. They're a quick reminder of how easy it can be to get comfortable and less vigilant.
 
@OP: Good job covering all your bases, and best of luck with quitting through vaping.

Good for you for deciding to quit and for thinking all of this through! Sounds like you've covered all your bases.

I have 1 year old son, who just recently started walking and climbing everything. Right now we have to watch him like a hawk, so I know if he gets into something right away. At this point, I'm comfortable with keeping everything in a box, in the top of the closet. When it's not in my mouth, my PV is on a high surface that's out of reach for him. I know I definitely can't drip regularly because I'm too nervous leaving the bottles of e-liquid sitting out. I use a vivi nova and stardusts, fill them up as needed, then pack everything back up and into the closet.

I'm hoping by the time he's old enough to "educate" about my PV, I'll have quit vaping because we will likely try for another pregnancy. Right now, he's not too interested in it, which surprises me. He sees me use it, but doesn't seem to want to play with it. I'm afraid that if I showed it to him and told him it was a "no" that would just make him get that mischievous look and then go for it.

I never smoked in the car with my son in it, but I have vaped. I do open the window a bit, but I'm still nervous about doing it. And of course I never smoked indoors but I do vape there, sometimes in the same room as him. I'm not sure how I feel about it, or how safe it is. My husband says, "I'm sure it's fine as long as you're not blowing it in his face." I'm wondering if anyone has any opinions or information about second hand vapor? I understand that the PG/VG solution is safe - my main concern is that there is nicotine in what I'm exhaling.

The figure I've heard stated (and linked to, but I can't recall the link offhand, so take this with a heap of salt) is that vapor does contain nicotine, but only 1/17th as much as what you're inhaling. And that's if you take the sum of the vapor, not allowing it to diffuse in the air. When you consider that, it's very small, negligible in most cases. I'm not sure on it, but I'd also presume if you held it in longer, less would be exhaled (similar to the stealth vape method, to make less visible vapor come out when you exhale).

There's certainly nicotine in it, but I don't think it's enough to cause harm. Keep in mind, however, that I am by no means a professional, certified in anything, nor do I have a source to back this up, just memory. But I've been led to believe that you should be fine.

Something to consider as you go forward would be to gradually move to a nic-free mixture. That way, even the fluid is safe. I can't say how feasible this is for you, though, because I have no idea of how much you used to smoke, or how much nicotine you use in your fluid now.
 

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i have a grandson whos only 2 and when vaping you can see the cogs turning behind the eyes and when it comes to the liquids and access you would think he works for mensa the little tyke is into everything the upshot of this is all supplys and kits are going to be locked away only thing out is the current vapour stick im using and that is now used in seperate room when hes about its allmost like im using ciggys when hes about all lighters and ciggys out of reach and hopfully out of mind

and allways remember better to have a mom whos about vaping than a mother who he visits once a month and puts flowers on her grave:( (very sad but stick at the vaping its worth it)
 

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I commend you on thinking ahead and doing whatever you need to do to protect your kids. I started with a small lockbox from target or walmart or somewhere, but I found that I outgrew it rather quickly, lol, so I've moved on to this locking train case from Sephora, originally designed for organising cosmetics, and it's perfect.
traincasepink.jpg

It also comes in black, which would be perfectly respectable for either gender- it isn't particularly feminine in any other way, easy to clean and customize compartment sizes, and pretty heavy duty, not flimsy at all. I personally like the pink because it has a natural deterrent effect on my little testosterone carriers, but I realize it's a little much, lol. It's just a great way to keep everything organised and easily accessed with the added bonus of having a keyed lock on the latches. There are (much) cheaper cases out there (search "train case" on amazon), but not all of them have a decent lock on them, so look around. I'm sure you'll find what works for you- I even considered using a tackle box, but at my house, that might get "borrowed". For fishing. Sheesh. Boys.
 

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I'm not sure how I feel about it, or how safe it is. My husband says, "I'm sure it's fine as long as you're not blowing it in his face." I'm wondering if anyone has any opinions or information about second hand vapor? I understand that the PG/VG solution is safe - my main concern is that there is nicotine in what I'm exhaling.

You're fine with the amount of nicotine that you're exhaling. Someone, I think it was sailorman but don't quote me had a bird tested and there was no nicotine. Birds are probably the most sensitive animal to inhalants. I think the calculation was that you'd have to have somewhere between 16-20 vapors blow directly into your son's nose/mouth as he inhaled to give him the same amount of nicotine as one puff of second hand cigarette smoke.
 
@zeesmoker I'm not sure how to solve it, but here's my 2 cents. I have found that just saying 'no' doesn't always work. Sometimes it's better to offer up some sort of 'this in stead of that' kind of thing. If it's the nice smell (s)he's liking- well I guess there's plenty of air fresheners. Something he/she can smell without harm. Since you're dealing with a kid, maybe make it personal. Make it special to them. ?? When you pull out your PV they can grab their good smelly thing. Example link below:

Amazon.com: Lavender Chamois Bear- Aromatherapy Stuffed Animal - Hot And Cold Therapy: Health & Personal Care

that's just one idea. But when the time is right you will find a way to help him/her understand. :)
 

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thanks to those who posted info about the second hand vapor - it's reassuring. I vape 6 or 12 mg now, so it isn't highly concentrated to begin with. I'm not going to worry about it anymore as long it's not in his face.

@ohai - I love that train case you posted! I might have to get one as my current case is just a plastic storage box with various smaller containers I've added to try to keep things organized. As much as I like "upcycling" baby shoe boxes, food jars, and snack cups, it'd be nice to have something with built in compartments that fold out :)
 

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@zeesmoker I'm not sure how to solve it, but here's my 2 cents. I have found that just saying 'no' doesn't always work. Sometimes it's better to offer up some sort of 'this in stead of that' kind of thing. If it's the nice smell (s)he's liking- well I guess there's plenty of air fresheners. Something he/she can smell without harm. Since you're dealing with a kid, maybe make it personal. Make it special to them. ?? When you pull out your PV they can grab their good smelly thing. Example link below:

Amazon.com: Lavender Chamois Bear- Aromatherapy Stuffed Animal - Hot And Cold Therapy: Health & Personal Care

that's just one idea. But when the time is right you will find a way to help him/her understand. :)

Thanks for the pro tip!! I like the idea!
 

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G'morning ECF! After much research and consideration I made an order for a new PV kit and anxiously await its arrival. During my research, I had many thoughts and concerns about my decision to make the jump into the realm of vaping. So here it is! I have a four year old son. He's always been a very well behaved child, always respectful of other people's property and personal space. Not the kind of kid that makes a habit of getting into things he knows he's not supposed to. However, I feel it is paramount that as a responsible parent that I make informed decisions with the highest consideration of my childs safety. That being said, knowledge is power! So what have I considered?

E liquid: A notice to vendors and affiliates! Please! Make sure that you clearly state on your site whether or not your liquids come in 'child-proof' containers. In my own opinion it should be a minimum requirement. (Maybe it is, but many sites I visited during my research did not clearly specify) But parents and caretakers 'child-proof' does not make it impervious to a child! We should always go the extra mile in ensuring our children cannot gain access to our liquids or any of our DIY supplies. My plan on doing this is to purchase my own lock box for my supplies with a key or combination lock. I have also cleared a space at the very top of my closet in my room for said box.

Syringes- whatever type, should certainly be behind a lock any time it is not being used! If any of my equipment requires a syringe I will only use the blunt tip types available.

5-click protection- while not an overly sophisticated mechanic, it does add a slight bit of protection against a child picking it up and emulating a parents actions.

Carrying cases / case chargers- I'm sure there's got to be a way we can add a lock to a charging case or carrying case. Even if it was a slide lock and very discreet it could be effective against curious little hands. The carrying case or purse is where our VP's will go when not in use, and when visiting friends or family. Wouldn't it be a great idea to have a bit of security while out and about? Is this something that could be reasonably implemented?

Knowledge: As I said, my son is four. However - I have taken the time to educate not only myself but him as well. My son knows that I used to smoke and is very happy with my recent decision to quit. We had a nice discussion about what my 'ecig' is, how it works and what I use it for. I only refer to it as a tool. He recognizes all of it's individual parts (not including the charger) as part of Mom's tool. In my personal belief, educating him (even at only the age of four) is the absolute best protection I can give and the best defense against accidents. He knows what it is when he sees it. I have taken the time to explain what it does as best I can. He doesn't know how to put it together or make it work - just that it's a part of mom's tool and that has satisfied his curiosity.

Learning from history: I smoked my first cigarette at the age of 9. I had an abundance of parental supervision. My parents and family did take quite a bit of care in attempting to keep cigarettes out of my reach. However for my little determined mind there was no stopping me. I took cigarettes from my family here and there until about 16 when I reached the pack-a-day level of habit. That has continued for ten years. It is only two small weeks ago that I took this step away from tobacco. My point here is that although I had great parents who did their best to keep me away from cigarettes, they did not educate me. They did not become an influence against smoking- rather they just tried to shelter me from it. My hope is that by educating my kid on what it is, what it's used for and combining that knowledge with precautions will be effective and safe.

So what about you guys n gals? Any advice? Tips? Tell me what you think!


Hi PhoenixAngel...I like the fact that you're concerned with the little people! I've NEVER smoked a day in my life, but my husband smoked over 20 years, and my parents smoked until their 30's. My Mom recently died of emphysema...even though it had been over 35 years since she had quit! I begged my husband to quit because I really want him to be around for a long time. : ) I've got 2 boys, ages 19 and 18...and the older one vapes. He was smoking, but I threw such a fit about it...and my husband and I took him to a vape shop, and paid for his kit and juice. He's hooked! ;) My husband was able to successfully quit in January, thanks to vaping. I am a big advocate for vaping. When my husband was thinking about it, he "had to sell me on it." He made me watch all kinds of stuff on the internet about the safety of it. Now, we are very knowledgeable about it, and have helped several friends to quit smoking. Emphysema is a horrible way to die, and I wouldn't wish that on even my worst enemy. I've not really thought too much about the little people, since my boys are grown, but so happy to hear that you have!

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