My husband is going to a hockey game with his brother tomorrow night (I love it that his family are so close) so he'll be going to the house. She'll have her kit by then and he'll let me know how it's going. Thank you all for the tips and the information about schizophrenia. She's a person first and if V4L prevents her from smoking a few cigarettes less (she smokes the cheapest, grossest cigarettes ever), then I think she's better off.
Vaping for the Mentally Impaired
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I don't appreciate hearing schizophrenics referred to as "mentally impaired".
Schizophrenia and mental ......ation are completely unrelated.
I know a schizophrenic girl with an IQ of over 200.
Schizophrenia and mental ......ation are completely unrelated.
I know a schizophrenic girl with an IQ of over 200.
I have to respectfully disagree.... the OP never said 'mentally handicapped' it was 'mentally impared'... there's a difference, someone taking drugs causing hallucinations would be considered mentally impared, so why wouldn't someone with schizophrenia be considered mentally impaired.. it has nothing to do with intelligence.... I think we have all been 'mentally impaired' at one time or another...
). Actually there are some people who take offense to '......ation'.
). Actually there are some people who take offense to '......ation'.My mother-in-law worked with the mentally handicapped for 30 years.One thing she would not allow is to call the mentall handicapped mentally ......ed.
Words describing disability/handicap
Connotations easily change over time. "Idiot", "imbecile", and "....." were once neutral terms for a developmentally delayed adult of toddler, preschool, and primary school mental ages, respectively.[4] As with Gresham's law, negative connotations tend to crowd out neutral ones, so the phrase mentally ......ed was pressed into service to replace them.[5] Now that, too, is considered vulgar, used commonly as an insult of a person, thing, or idea. As a result, new terms like "mentally challenged", "with an intellectual disability", "learning difficulties" and "special needs" have replaced "......ed".
There are people that are mentally challenged who would not be able to vape but in these cases it would dangerous for them to smoke. I had one of the worse case of bipolar but even when my mania was completely out of control I would have been able to vape. I smoked and never burned the house down. I still did everyday activites but at a faster rate while my mind was racing. I would probably compare it to being high on some strong drugs. You smoke much more than normal. I would assume I would vape much more but I don't see how since I now vape constantly 24/7.
It all depends on the mentally handicapped person and what they are capable of. Each one is different.
My niece is a mongoloid but she does everything for herself and even has a job (which is provided by special organizations). She does not smoke but I am sure she would be able to and even learn to vape.
Words describing disability/handicap
Connotations easily change over time. "Idiot", "imbecile", and "....." were once neutral terms for a developmentally delayed adult of toddler, preschool, and primary school mental ages, respectively.[4] As with Gresham's law, negative connotations tend to crowd out neutral ones, so the phrase mentally ......ed was pressed into service to replace them.[5] Now that, too, is considered vulgar, used commonly as an insult of a person, thing, or idea. As a result, new terms like "mentally challenged", "with an intellectual disability", "learning difficulties" and "special needs" have replaced "......ed".
There are people that are mentally challenged who would not be able to vape but in these cases it would dangerous for them to smoke. I had one of the worse case of bipolar but even when my mania was completely out of control I would have been able to vape. I smoked and never burned the house down. I still did everyday activites but at a faster rate while my mind was racing. I would probably compare it to being high on some strong drugs. You smoke much more than normal. I would assume I would vape much more but I don't see how since I now vape constantly 24/7.
It all depends on the mentally handicapped person and what they are capable of. Each one is different.
My niece is a mongoloid but she does everything for herself and even has a job (which is provided by special organizations). She does not smoke but I am sure she would be able to and even learn to vape.
Can I ask what type of schizophrenia it is? Catatonic, residual, Undifferentiated, disorganized, or paranoid? I am very interested in psychology as it is my dual major along with criminal justice.
My advice is to ask her doctor what he/she thinks. I don't see any harm, just watch her use it the first couple days, correct anything you see wrong, give her lots of instructions, and let her watch you use it too
OT: What will you do with your degree? We could really use some more well-educated police officers. (I work for a large police department in Georgia.)
I want to keep my options open at this point! I'm leaning more towards police work, but I also have an interest in drug and alcohol counseling.
I think you should really look into that term and rethink referring to your niece or anyone that way.
No matter what word is introduced to replace the new one that's become an insult, the connotation slides over within a few years. The ubiquitous use of diagnosis/tx as insult damns the whole shebang. ("Forgot your meds?")
The term always means "doesn't think the way I do", "doesn't talk the way I do", "doesn't act the way I do", "doesn't look the way I do", and/or "bothers me significantly". In my profession, Borderline and Bipolar have gotten way out of hand most recently; shorthand often amongst therapists (and adult children, and ex-spouses) for "pain in the neck" and "I don't know what to do with this one, who makes me feel like an inadequate therapist and/or is ...... at me".
I deeply hate that. In my book, it's on the therapist. Which can be a very hot seat.
First time I worked in a (ghastly) state institution (35-plus years ago), the huge "schizophrenic" population included such a wide range of confusing humans that the word was meaningless.
Not all that much has changed, really. The local "Day Treatment Center" for what are now referred to as CSMIs (chronically severely mentally ill persons) includes persons with actual, demonstrable neurological problems; persons who have been abused into permanent incoherence; persons who are so sad they gave up many years ago; geniuses who have adapted to trauma by segmenting experience somewhat radically; profoundly idiosyncratic rebels against the collective re reality; persons with low IQs/deeply deprived cultural backgrounds who cannot quite navigate the given paths; 'illogical', impulsive pains in asses, and on and on ... all of them medicated to the gills.
And of course there's the infamous study in which a large number of psychiatrists were asked to assess and diagnose the same group of pts - with almost hilariously divergent results. One man's OCD is another man's whatever.
The hx of the DSM4 (3,2,1) is insane. It makes the insurance companies happy. OT, and I will sigh, and hush.
The term always means "doesn't think the way I do", "doesn't talk the way I do", "doesn't act the way I do", "doesn't look the way I do", and/or "bothers me significantly". In my profession, Borderline and Bipolar have gotten way out of hand most recently; shorthand often amongst therapists (and adult children, and ex-spouses) for "pain in the neck" and "I don't know what to do with this one, who makes me feel like an inadequate therapist and/or is ...... at me".
I deeply hate that. In my book, it's on the therapist. Which can be a very hot seat.
First time I worked in a (ghastly) state institution (35-plus years ago), the huge "schizophrenic" population included such a wide range of confusing humans that the word was meaningless.
Not all that much has changed, really. The local "Day Treatment Center" for what are now referred to as CSMIs (chronically severely mentally ill persons) includes persons with actual, demonstrable neurological problems; persons who have been abused into permanent incoherence; persons who are so sad they gave up many years ago; geniuses who have adapted to trauma by segmenting experience somewhat radically; profoundly idiosyncratic rebels against the collective re reality; persons with low IQs/deeply deprived cultural backgrounds who cannot quite navigate the given paths; 'illogical', impulsive pains in asses, and on and on ... all of them medicated to the gills.
And of course there's the infamous study in which a large number of psychiatrists were asked to assess and diagnose the same group of pts - with almost hilariously divergent results. One man's OCD is another man's whatever.
The hx of the DSM4 (3,2,1) is insane. It makes the insurance companies happy. OT, and I will sigh, and hush.
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("Developmentally delayed" is the most accepted term for low IQ population at present. "Challenged" has been challenged. It came to mean "stupid" pretty quickly in popular usage. I pretty much have stopped wanting to call anyone anything diagnostically, except as a very provisional shorthand.)
Thank you for your posts on this thread. I appreciate the opportunity to "hear" your perspective, insights, and frustrations in this area.
I am thankful for this ECF community and the huge wealth of experience and wisdom that is shared so openly.
I don't mean to get off topic, but wouldn't a lot of that information vary depending on how long you were a smoker and how much you smoked before you quit, especially the information occurring after one year?
For example, I only smoked for about 4 years (<1/2 pack a day, average) before I started vaping...I sure hope my excess risk of coronary heart disease is a lot less than half that of a smoker after one year.
I know this is an old thread, but the topic is unfortunately always quite fresh. One of the most distressing factors I've witnessed to date, is the evictions of the smokers from their homes, apts, hospitals, and care homes. Finding suitable shelter for the smokers has become alarmingly impossible. They are forced to stay on the streets, and seek out other venues to help alleviate their stress and pain. It's impossible to find the right help for them. Drug rehabilitation places won't take Schizophrenias, Mental Health Hospitals won't take Drug Addicts, and .... nobody will take a smoker period and the Afflicted will not stop smoking. They can't. Perhaps this varies from state to state? From year to year? Politician to politician? But the fact remains, they're not getting the proper care and help they need. Having a caring and loving family is the only way, and how many families with little children allow druggie Uncle live with them? From the needles to the pushers to the smoking embers of a lit cigarette when they fall asleep, pass out. Taking the steps to help them now before they're kicked out of their homes and onto the streets is our first concern. They want their smokes so bad, they'd rather live on the streets than not have their smokes. Supplementing them with PV's can be a real life saver in more ways than one. Getting the hospitals, DR's, Shelters, families on board would be a miracle for these people. It all starts with us. I believe you're on the right track with this thread. Please don't let it go by the wayside.
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