Vaping is harsher than cigarettes?

[skippy]

I noticed the same thing. For 40 yrs. I always smoked when I was sick, never bothered me. I came down with a wicked head and chest cold 3 days ago when I tried to vape my lungs felt like they were on fire and it set off a vicious cycle of coughing. I slapped a patch on my arm and started to just hold the vapor in my mouth, then exhaling. Never had a problem with vaping...until I was sick.

 

[Joe Joe]

acid reflux, chest pain, soar throat,

I think you guys might be confusing "symptoms" of vaping with "detox" from analogs.

Although Propylene glycol is metabolized by the body into lactic acid, which occurs naturally when muscles are exercised, which may cause muscle soreness and cramps, as well as acid reflux.

I would suggest trying VG (Glycerin) as VG is converted to glucose.

Just my 2 cents . . . spend it how you want.

 

[lachesis]

Well, my wilde guess is that vaping, seems harsher because you feel it in your throats, due to the light nature of PG/VG, and it seems it sticks to the upper lungway/throat the most of the time... However, analog smoke is much heavier so the harsheness happens more in the lungs, than throats. So maybe that' plays a part... (that we odon't have as much pain nerves in lungs, maybe?)

 

[happily]

The really big thing to keep in mind here is cigarette companies have spent decades getting the proper chemicals into a cigarette to make them tolerable. Try smoking anything, and I mean anything besides a cigarette and see how your lungs and throat feel. They have a special mix of chemicals to keep you from feeling the effects and harshness of smoking.

I will say in my experience that added VEGETABLE GLYCERINE to juice can really lessen the throat hit.

 

[bwhite757]

PG is an antiviral agent. For you guys that are sick and vape, you're killing the virus (not all of it) but that's what's causing you pain/harshness.... Probably won't feel the effects with VG liquid...

 

[smaffen]

PG is an antiviral agent. For you guys that are sick and vape, you're killing the virus (not all of it) but that's what's causing you pain/harshness.... Probably won't feel the effects with VG liquid...

yeah... the little viruses are all screaming so hard about the PG and banging their little heads on the insides of your lungs causing you pain...

Seriously though I am an ex, ex smoker. I've been going broke on nic patches and gum for five years. I recently started vaping, and I can tell you that dismissing the fact that PG is causing people pain and discomfort is just wrong. Sometimes my lungs ache, sometimes my lower back hurts, and sometimes the stuff makes me cough like all get-out. No one can tell me that these effects are from quitting smoking (which I did 5 years ago!)
and it most certainly comes with the vaping.
I wholeheartedly agree with those that think this is SAFER than smoking, but for those of you on the delusional kick that this is GOOD for you, well that's just wishful thinking.
Sorry to be such a downer but everyone should be informed of the truth, that is there are NO studies of long term vaping of PG and we do NOT know how harmful it may be. Vaping is better than smoking, but how harmful vaping may be is still undetermined - a lot like cancer from smoking was undetermined back in the old days.

FWIW I am a professional scientist in medical research and I choose to "risk" it and vape to control my rabid nicotime addiction.

 

[Angela]

I see these statements often on the forum. Folks should take the time to read the reports about PG and its effects on the human body. Repeated exposure to PG has all kinds of affects on skin, lungs. I often see PG mentioned as one of the safest drugs listed by the FDA but newer reports over the past couple of years are now making allot of changes to the MSD reports stating the prolonged exposure to PG maybe dangerous causing all kinds of problems. Of course you could say the same thing for cigarettes as well, but it doesn't mean we should just settle for a whole new set of problems.

Do you have links to these reports you are talking about since I don't think they've been mentioned on here before, and I thought the forum boffins had found them all!

 

[ozrick]

Well it also depends on how you vape. Friends of mine who smoke always try to direct inhale from the e-cig, this causes a burn at the back of the throat which can be pretty harsh.

As far as throat irritation goes, it's common when vaping. Drink a glass of water before you go to bed and also try to keep hydrated. PG is a dehumidicant ( I believe) and draws out moisture which can cause dry mouth. I've noticed I have dry mouth bad breath alot more now than I ever used to. I keep some candy with me to keep my mouth producing saliva.

It can take quite a while for your lungs to start clearing out (coughing) and the duration is variable.

 

[Kate51]

All of these posts have raised good points. And I am not cutting down PG by any means, but I had to quit using it and went to non-PG, or Vegetable Glycerin....my throat would get very sore, and after a time I was developing a quite severe hoarseness that didn't go away, so changed to VG exclusively. So far (in about 2-3 weeks) have not had a hoarse recurrence. To test the theory, I went back to PG for one day, hoarseness came back! And I cannot really tell the difference between the two, except that maybe with VG I felt like I had to brush my teeth more often. Not really a "greasy" feel, something like that though. Difference between the two may also be that PG is a little more drying to mouth and throat tissue, possible lung tissue, depending on how you inhale. I am a quite heavy vaper also. But neither one is harmful, to my research. Both are germicides, when vaporized. The claim of being anti-viral, I am not sure about that, anyone have data on that?

 

[SmokinScott]

Happens to me sometimes too. I find it's not as harsh if I aim the mouthpiece at the roof of my mouth. Also gets better as I go, like my body has to get used to it again.

 

[webtaxman]

All of these posts have raised good points. And I am not cutting down PG by any means, but I had to quit using it and went to non-PG, or Vegetable Glycerin....my throat would get very sore, and after a time I was developing a quite severe hoarseness that didn't go away, so changed to VG exclusively. So far (in about 2-3 weeks) have not had a hoarse recurrence. To test the theory, I went back to PG for one day, hoarseness came back! And I cannot really tell the difference between the two, except that maybe with VG I felt like I had to brush my teeth more often. Not really a "greasy" feel, something like that though. Difference between the two may also be that PG is a little more drying to mouth and throat tissue, possible lung tissue, depending on how you inhale. I am a quite heavy vaper also. But neither one is harmful, to my research. Both are germicides, when vaporized. The claim of being anti-viral, I am not sure about that, anyone have data on that?

Very similar in my case as well. I had/have a constant sore throat which aspirin and lozenges did help, but it always csame back. I cut my PG liquids (all are 36 mg 50/50 with Glycerine, and it has "helped." Let's see, no throat hit, or 100% VG? Then what to do with all my PG juice!?!?

I'm also curious why everyone is getting sick. I had chest cold like symptoms, and I rarely if ever get sick. Hmmmmm.

Don't know about the anti viral aspect of PG, but it is a carrier of viruses, meaning it can separate a virus from the surrounding air and allows for its isolation. They release aerosol form PG in hospitals and I believe they are using PG with the swine flue for the very same reason. Hopefully a scientist can explain that better than I can!

 

[kevinallen]

i would like to say that i LOVE deadmau5

 

[Soon to be E]

I have a sore throat with the first vape of the day. I´m using the original (Ruyan?) liquid until I can order some more. Yesterday I didn´t vape at all because the smell made me nauseous. I´ll try switching formulas.

 

[Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah]

vapor is harsher than cig smoke - simply because cig manufacturers put chemicals in their products to make the smoke smoother and easier to go down.

Vapor doesn't have that. PG is also a humectant - meaning it draws moisture into itself - out of the other ingredients in the ejuice, the air, and your tissues. That's what produces the vapor, the PG binding to the water molucules.

There is a learning curve to these things....they are NOT like cigs. As others have said on this thread, stay hydrated. I also took to gargling cola at night to clear out my throat from any PG residue - the acids in the cola broke down the remaining PG. Yes, I had a minor sore throat for about a week when I started, and I completely tossed the analogs as soon as I had my gear.

I had a cold recently, where my throat was hot and dry. During that time I vaped very carefully - taking reduced mouthfuls of vapor and inhaling an air/vape mix (let some of the vapor dribble out of your mouth, then inhale with your mouth open to get the blend) to get my fix. My sore throat went away within a day or 2.

 

[slittle]

what may be happening is that your body is going thru tobacco withdrawal, are you still smoking analogues

 

[Lala]

I smoked regularly for years and was always sick, sore throat, bronchitis, even pleurisy, and I would fall down sometimes, like when you get up too quick. I even had what I call weird fainty spells. I quit (thought for good) for about five years and it all got better. Last year after an event I began smoking again, and it all came back. Even while smoking it would make me feel headachy and uncomfortable in my throat and lungs. (yet I would still be craving the nicotine) Maybe its because I am very sensitive to something in the analogs, but a few days with my vapor and I feel much better already. Any sore throat is barely noticeable until I think about it, and its not sore really, just odd feeling for a few minutes after a long vape session. I am kinda happily surprised as the fog machines used to bother me, and they both use PG. My second day with the vapor and the analogs were gone!

 

[Zofryer]

I'm honestly of the opinion that most of the posts where people are complaining about side effects has more to do with the effects of withdraw than the actual e-smoking. I'm basing this on quitting for more than 5 months no less than 7 times in the past 26 years, and the symptoms being nearly identical. For example, I haven't had real tobacco since the 1st, and I'm coughing up things that SINK right now. It's getting better, but the non-floational lung-tissue balls are not something new. That happened to me a year ago when I stopped smoking with Snus. At the four month point I'll be ready to tell you how similar/non-similar this time around has been compared to the other seven times I've quit for an extended period of time. Until then, I'm going to attribute anything whacky happening to my system as a withdraw symptom because that's the most likely cause, and I've seen this all before. Hope this helps.

 

[Phydeau]

Interesting, I've been vaping for several months, but quit analogs totally 6 days ago when my Inferno came in. Today I'm sick as hell. Searching my memory, I seem to recall when I had quit for a year some years ago, I also got sick as hell about a week in after putting them down.

Chalking this up to "analog withdrawl".

However, this thread deserves a bump for the newbies.