Vaping not for everyone especially me

[_Lee]

As I'm sure you are aware, different juices can affect you differently. Even juices from the same vendor can do that. I bought a disposable from a vendor and really liked it. I bought an EVOD tank and ego battery with that same liquid. I took 2-3 puffs and had a horrible headache for days. A month or so later, i wanted to see if that juice was the cause. After vaping a different juice for a month, i tried the headache vape... got the same headache again. I trashed the juice immediately. I have tried other juices from other vendors and have not had the same issue. Right now, I only vape one juice.

Maybe you should try a flavorless 100% VG or 100% PG (whatever did not aggravate your issues) liquid nic. It could be the flavoring giving you the issues. Obviously, your body likes nicotine. ;-) Grab a small 100% VG or 100% PG flavorless liquid and try that.

or not... YMMV

 

[Requiem33]

I have to agree with what others have said in regards to the cig withdrawls. From the symptoms you described it is classic cig withdrawl. I had similar symptoms other times that I tried quitting smoking with the patch and gum and... and... pick whatever. Never tried the Chantix and from the horror stories if mental problems it can cause I'm not going to.

Now I will say I still smoke cigs. I'm weaning myself off of them. About oh 3 years ago I first tried and did the vaping thing and still smoking in about oh a month or so I had gone from almost 3 packs a day down to 0 a day and vaping. But this was over a period of time and progression of letting my body detox from the cig chemicals a little at a time. Now 3 years later I'm doing the same thing.

I roll my own so I'm not getting as much of the chemicals from cigs but still getting enough. Actually what is interesting is that it took me a while to get used to my own rolled smokes because they were missing some of the chemicals that I was used to in name brand cigs. So that took me about of a month or maybe more just to wean off of name brand cigs to my own rolled cigs.

But anyways. I'm not a fan of the cold turkey method as it can wreak havoc on your body and mind with the withdrawl symptoms which can get pretty bad. I'm on the wean yourself over a period of time for as long as it takes. Weeks, months... maybe longer but eventually.

Now on the flip side. Vaping is not for everyone and I'm not going to say it is. If you feel like it was the vaping or the ejuice or something else that was hurting you then by all means quit. Don't do something that makes you miserable and don't advocate for something that you don't agree with. I think vaping is helping me and me alone. If someone asks I'll say it works for me and if they want to try it that's their choice and theirs alone. As you have said there is no "one size fits all" with anything in this world just as people have a preference in name brand cigs or particular ejuice or even coke or pepsi. To each their own, live and let live.

 

[Notorious C.I.G.]

I can honestly say I am not experiencing negative side effects. I can breath better and I cough less, for me there hasn't been any noticeable side effects besides dry mouth. I am not sure why ecigs may affect another person differently.

"Tobacco smoke slows the normal movement of the microscopic hairs (cilia) that line your lungs. When you stop smoking, the cilia become active again. As the cilia recover and the mucus is cleared from your lungs, you might cough more than usual — perhaps for several weeks.
In the meantime, you can speed the process by staying well hydrated. Drink plenty of fluids, such as water and juice. You might also increase the humidity in the air with a humidifier or vaporizer." Coughing after quitting smoking: What's the deal? - MayoClinic.com

Maybe, switching back between cigs and ecigs just prolonged this. If OP stayed off the stinkys completely for a few weeks and the symptoms persisted, I guess it could be an adverse reaction, but if one switches back and forth, I believe it may be a result of what is described above.

 

[AgentAnia]

Good luck on your journey, OP. I simply want to add that I think it's a shame you threw your vaping supplies in the trash instead of passing them on to someone for whom e-cigarettes might have worked.

 

[The Rebel]

Have you tried Snus?

^^^^This is the only reason I am smoke free for over ten months now. Snus made the difference that vaping couldn't for me. When I tried vaping by itself, I was miserable and still smoking three or four analogs a day. Many hours of reading and research led me to try Swedish snus. Tobacco contains certain alkaloids which are missing in ejuice. My body was missing those alkaloids and snus provided the answer. I dropped those three or four analogs the next day and been smoke free ever since.

Good suggestion Izan for anyone who is struggling with quitting using vaping alone.

 

[Jay-dub]

Fortunately for the millions who have quit analogs by vaping, yours is the rare exception.

And the graciousness ends. This is like someone saying they don't like soccer and you pointing out that millions around the world love it. Unfortunately, our physiologies can react as differently to things as our personalities. Glad the poster gave it a solid effort. If this was a forum about honey and you couldn't choke it down but wanted to let us know you really tried all I could say is "way to give it a go". I don't think it should be any different here.

 

[AgentAnia]

I agree with your last statement, Jay-dub, but have to say, I don't read wv2win's post as ungracious at all, simply a statement of fact. Without exception (as best I recall) posters have replied in a supportive and helpful manner to OP, who has *more* than made his point in his several posts.

 

[HeavenNorHell]

Sorry to hear you were having problems,but you made an interesting comment here: "but then I also noticed , when I picked up a pack of cigs , suddenly all the symptoms would disappear"

These are typical withdrawal symptoms from any drug,the fact all your symptoms disappeared once you had a cigarette says it is the cigarettes which are causing the problem.(i.e. your body got it's fix)
Side effects from tobacco withdrawal can last a long long time,it's not just the nicotine,it's the other 7000 or so chemicals you have to rid from your body,which obviously will take time.
I really am not trying to dissuade you from vaping just trying to put a little perspective on what & why you are experiencing these sort of symptoms.

Good luck in either case

I agree with what you say here. OP had been smoking for 30 years, went cold turkey and started vaping.

No offense OP, but I'm thinking it's quite likely that you simply jumped into this way too fast. Personally, I managed to quit cold turkey for vaping, I've also only smoked for 5ish years at a PAD. If you'd been smoking for 30 years, that could easily be your problem. Try Dual-using, keep smoking but lower how much you smoke, SLOWLY. Say you smoke 3 PADs, lower it to 2, and vape in between cravings. Slowly cutting yourself back is much better then just up and quitting one day.

Like Julie said, theres so many chemicals in analogs, which your body also begins depending on over time. Nicotine certainly isn't the only thing addictive in them. I hope you can try giving this a shot and not give up on vaping just yet, but do be careful. Nobody here wants to watch people sacrifice health for vaping, thats the whole reason we're here is for our health! I think you just jumped the gun a bit too much for your body.

Good luck hope this helps

 

[yellowsnow]

Sorry to hear you were having problems,but you made an interesting comment here: "but then I also noticed , when I picked up a pack of cigs , suddenly all the symptoms would disappear"

These are typical withdrawal symptoms from any drug,the fact all your symptoms disappeared once you had a cigarette says it is the cigarettes which are causing the problem.(i.e. your body got it's fix)
Side effects from tobacco withdrawal can last a long long time,it's not just the nicotine,it's the other 7000 or so chemicals you have to rid from your body,which obviously will take time.
I really am not trying to dissuade you from vaping just trying to put a little perspective on what & why you are experiencing these sort of symptoms.

Good luck in either case

I'll have to agree that the symptoms, I believe are more the withdrawal of the analogs from the body. I'm no doctor but as stated above smoking tobacco plus the chemicals may be your body's reactions causing your illness. Just my
I am a 45 yrs plus analog and yes it was tuff to switch. But since my quit day I have not looked back. I wish you the best of luck and do hope you find a way of ditching the stinkies.

 

[Moonswanni]

If symptoms stop when going back to smoking, its more likely issues related to cigarette withdrawal and not vaping. I have over a hundred quit attempts under my belt (sadly) and "the quit" is different every time. Sometimes the withdrawal will last for last months, and sometimes the withdrawal will last a week only to rear it's head a few months later. Sometimes the symptoms are physical and sometimes they are mental. This is why I started vaping after three months of quitting cigarettes with a NRT. During the last quit I experience extreme swelling (think stretch marks) and is a symptom I never had before. If I was vaping I would have probably attributed it to vaping when it wasn't.

That is not to say everyone response well to vaping. Its just so many blame vaping and PG (I did the same thing) for what is really cigarette withdrawal. You are the only one that knows your body and situation. If you feel vaping is the culprit, then please try an alternative method instead of going back to cigarettes. Every time you quit you gain experience; it becomes easier the more you do it and eventually you will succeed.

 

[damthisisfun]

well to answer your question , I wanted vaping to work , and I wanted to experiment with it to see if a happy medium could be found
you never know until you try , you never know how cold the water is until you test it out so to speak .
if you don't try you don't know . as for the PG allergy , I don't have an allergy to PG or VG , my system just couldn't adjust and the symptoms of stoping smoking combined with the chemicals in the juice my system just couldn't adjust , so I threw it all away and stopped vaping and picked the cigs back up , sooner or later down the line maybe I will try another product who knows . as for the small percentage of folks you mentioned are in that failure category with vaping , that percentage isn't exactly as small as you think .
remember a product is only great if it works for you , if it doesn't then guess what its not great anymore is it ?
I am well aware most here support and believe in this vaping product , but I guess im among that percentage that figured out that its not that great for everyone nothing is .
does anyone have any good info on nic inhalers to share I may look into that product next

I am not in you shoes and certainly no doctor. You say you are not allergic to PG or VG - but your body could not adjust to the symptoms of of stopping smoking combined with the chemicals in the juice. Others will correct me - the only other chemicals in most juices are - Nicotine (guessing since you smoked u didnt start with 0), Glycerol, flavor, color, citric acid and deionized water - this is from JC's website - my ADV. So did the Doctors run test to see if you are allergic to these others chemicals? Is it possible that the fact that your body was not getting the 1,000s of chemicals in cigarettes was causing your symptoms? You may have explained this in a post and I missed it - if you did - please accept my apology. I am genuinely confused about your symptoms.

 

[KENNY V]

Everyone is right about something here .. However when you have multiple issues its hard to rule out what is what? Is it detox withdrawal symptoms? or reactions from some sort of intolerance ?
Most folks cant believe the symptoms the body can produce. Esp when going though withdrawals. Of course they are real esp when when body is going though major detox through the process of getting over a major addiction. Your brain is very powerful tool and can come up with many reasons and side effects on letting go of the smokes . I had 45 days of hell IMO a perfect storm for crashing .. In short . Too quick too fast cutting my 30 yr PAD habit down ... Lack of WTA and on top of I Had a MAJOR Withdrawals of every kind.( they did not stop only got worse....... ) .On top of that had MAJOR reactions to PG or an juice containing a small % PG .. Was imposable to rule out completely till I finial got that out of equation . Was a living Hell.... Took me 40 days to sort out what was what .. But than for me it was too late . Long story

You guys have no idea what I went through w/ vaping stuff that didn't agree with me. And allot of you folks tried to help and put up with me. THANKS GUYS esp the ones who personalty reached out. Some folks thought I was Not for real..... Lots of Major withdrawal symptoms, all the while of not getting any WTA's . It was over 30 days no WTA's ... By the time I realized what was going on too late than I crashed . At that point I was 2 months in quit mode cut my SMOKING IN HALF..down %70 ..down %80 down to none.... and even smoke free for about 7 days but then I crashed .. Btw I have not returned to baseline yet... wish me luck when I try again... . thanks for listening . Sorry to jump on this thread but love to hear a few responses to my comments if and when I give it another whirl...

One other thing I was wondering has anyone who has tried to quit had some bad withdraws , perhaps crashed or had a breakdown during the process. , if so then after they realized or felt like something chemically changed?
If that has happened to anyone reading how long did it take for you to go back to baseline?
Thanks so much Guys

Be well Happy New Years Fellow vapers you guys/ gals are a great support group.


Kenny V

 

[MD_Boater]

Wow. I had no idea it was so difficult for some people.

Sknr1, I suggest that you try switching to some RYO cigarettes for a while. Just make sure to use an organic tobacco, like American Spirit in the light blue can or pouch. I used a cheapo Top roller, Top papers, and Premier brand filters. These have the nicotine you need, they are a real cigarette, and they taste good (as good as a stinky can). The difference is that the additional chemicals that keep you hooked on smoking aren't in there. I made that switch after 27 years of smoking. When I switched to RYO, I had withdrawals (from all of the other stuff in cigarettes). It was quite hard to believe. I'd be driving down the road smoking, and have the urge to pull into a gas station to pick up a pack of Marlboro lights. Fortunately, I did not do that. In about a week, the withdrawals went away. When I switched to vaping, I had no problems whatsoever.

This would be a good way for you to determine if it is the act of quitting, or the act of vaping that is causing you problems.

 

[dedi]

Wow. I had no idea it was so difficult for some people.

I didn't either Boater! I guess I can count my blessings again. Stopped smoking the day I started vaping after 30 plus years of smoking. Never looked back....been at it for almost four yrs and have no plans to stop.

 

[IMEDICx90]

I'll be the first to admit that I crashed. I was a PAD for 12 years and then I simply up and quit. I went through minor withdrawal and then it went away shortly (5-6 days). I got really into vaping and all the gadgets and really enjoyed it. Then my grandmother passed away and I just lost all of my self control in everything. We were close and that might be why I had such an adverse reaction but I just got frustrated and started smoking about 6 months in. I'm now back to baseline and haven't touched an analog in over 8 months but I did crash. It wasn't a failure as far as I see it, just an obstacle to overcome.


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[Wow1420]

^^^^This is the only reason I am smoke free for over ten months now. Snus made the difference that vaping couldn't for me. When I tried vaping by itself, I was miserable and still smoking three or four analogs a day. Many hours of reading and research led me to try Swedish snus. Tobacco contains certain alkaloids which are missing in ejuice. My body was missing those alkaloids and snus provided the answer. I dropped those three or four analogs the next day and been smoke free ever since.

Good suggestion Izan for anyone who is struggling with quitting using vaping alone.

If you're still willing to give vaping another shot, perhaps a WTA eliquid might be the answer
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/230570-wta-e-liquid-issues.html
and read some of DVAP's blogs E-Cigarette Forum - DVap - Blogs on WTA

 

[Sane Asylum]

I think for some of us, especially long time smokers ( I was an almost a pack and half a day for 35 years) the withdrawal from smoking can be pretty severe. For me, the chemical changes have been pretty bad at times. I've gone through a number of bouts of severe anxiety, insomnia headaches, to name a few. At about a month in, I thought I was allergic to, PG but even though I was drinking enough water, when I increased my water intake, I was fine with PG.

IMO, there's a lot of reactions and symptoms that people blame on vaping but it's more likely due to all the changes our bodies are going through because of quitting cigarettes. Not all...but I think people don't realized what the toxins in cigarettes have done to our systems from years of smoking and when we stop that, it puts extraordinary stress on our bodies. And the adjustment just doesn't happen in a few weeks or even months.

The bottom line is that quitting cigarettes is a MAJOR adjustment....physically and psychologically. And for many, you just don't feel all that great for a long time. Personally, I'm still waiting to get there. But I don't want to go back to smoking. It just takes time.

 

[MorpheusPA]

No, it certainly isn't for everybody. One woman I know had to stop vaping as the mouth feel and actions strongly resembled those of an illegal substance we can't mention here. Every time she vaped she felt the desire to use.

That was one failed quit I endorsed whole-heartedly. I'd rather see her smoke than slip.

 

[MorpheusPA]

I think for some of us, especially long time smokers ( I was an almost a pack and half a day for 35 years) the withdrawal from smoking can be pretty severe. For me, the chemical changes have been pretty bad at times. I've gone through a number of bouts of severe anxiety, insomnia headaches, to name a few. At about a month in, I thought I was allergic to, PG but even though I was drinking enough water, when I increased my water intake, I was fine with PG.

IMO, there's a lot of reactions and symptoms that people blame on vaping but it's more likely due to all the changes our bodies are going through because of quitting cigarettes. Not all...but I think people don't realized what the toxins in cigarettes have done to our systems from years of smoking and when we stop that, it puts extraordinary stress on our bodies. And the adjustment just doesn't happen in a few weeks or even months.

The bottom line is that quitting cigarettes is a MAJOR adjustment....physically and psychologically. And for many, you just don't feel all that great for a long time. Personally, I'm still waiting to get there. But I don't want to go back to smoking. It just takes time.

I got depression, dry skin, a canker sore, headaches, a bit of nausea...but I knew most of that was quitting smoking. That turned out to be true and they all faded out. I now feel better than I ever did as a smoker.

There are some people who can't tolerate PG, though. Most can use VG, but VG has its own challenges.

 

[Jman8]

no what I did was just stop cold , after 30+ years of smoking and started vaping ..... and yes perhaps that was major mistake #1
what happened to me was , the combined symptoms of stopping smoking suddenly the shock of that along with the reactions to the chemicals in the juices , I just couldn't adjust and it wound up being a recipe for failure . I was tested for the PG and VG
and I just couldn't adjust so now its time to move on to the next product , check that out and maybe try again . who knows maybe something else will work .

I recall earlier thread (the lesser of 2 evils) when you were first putting all this stuff out there, and I kinda felt like I was only one advocating for dual use as plausible way to overcome symptoms.

I'd still advocate for that, but realize it would be pretty darn challenging now that you've stayed away from vaping and made up your mind that vaping (chemicals) are source of what ails you.

Best wishes to you going forward and hope good health finds you in whatever you choose to do.