Yes and then they toss in that they can't be sure if it is caused by smoking or nicotine. So which came first, the egg or the chicken?
Vaping over analogs ..... Something you should know.
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Yes and then they toss in that they can't be sure if it is caused by smoking or nicotine. So which came first, the egg or the chicken?
Nicotine makes your arteries constrict which in turn cuts blood flow. I have Reynauds in both hands. It's caused by nerve damage that will let the arteries constrict when your body gets cold to keep your vital organs warm. Once you warm bad up those arteries won't open back up to get circulation back. Nicotine aggrivates the condition. I always noticed my hands got cold but one day 3 fingers didn't warm back up. It looked like they were dead and ice cold. Went and saw a specialist who ran all kinds of nerve tests. He said I also have a slight case of carpal tunnel. He gave me meds for it but it was almost two weeks before before the color came back and they felt normal. Dr said it was probably caused from the vibration from working with air tools over the years. Even after that when they got too cold they would at least come around in an hr or two. Since I started vaping and cut back on the nic I've been up to WY working in -17F weather. Working outside in that for 14 hrs a day and really didn't have any problems.
You must read further than the second paragraph to get the facts... Nicotine is not all bad in this article... Open your mind
By the way, did you happen to see how they performed this test? If not I will tell you. They stuck mice is a sealed cage and then lit up some cigs and sucked all the smoke into the cage and then called it a nicotine research. It is flawed to such a degree that it should be called propaganda rather than a scientific research.
no one is reading this... Really fascinating stuff if it is true
"To test the ability of nicotine to restore blood flow in oxygen-starved tissue, the researchers tied off a main artery that supplies blood to one hind limb in mice, and then injected nicotine daily into the affected leg. After three weeks the nicotine-injected limbs sported a higher blood vessel density and were receiving more blood flow than those that had been injected with a saline solution."
on the other side:
"Finally, the researchers tested nicotine’s effect on diseases such as lung cancer and atherosclerosis. They found after only a few days that lung cancer cells implanted under the skin or in the lung tissue of animals who drank nicotine-laced water grew much more quickly and were more densely packed with blood vessels than cancers in animals who were not exposed to nicotine. Mice bred to accumulate plaque in the linings of their arteries also suffered from nicotine exposure. The plaque blockages grew more quickly and were thicker in these mice than in the control animals."
"To test the ability of nicotine to restore blood flow in oxygen-starved tissue, the researchers tied off a main artery that supplies blood to one hind limb in mice, and then injected nicotine daily into the affected leg. After three weeks the nicotine-injected limbs sported a higher blood vessel density and were receiving more blood flow than those that had been injected with a saline solution."
on the other side:
"Finally, the researchers tested nicotine’s effect on diseases such as lung cancer and atherosclerosis. They found after only a few days that lung cancer cells implanted under the skin or in the lung tissue of animals who drank nicotine-laced water grew much more quickly and were more densely packed with blood vessels than cancers in animals who were not exposed to nicotine. Mice bred to accumulate plaque in the linings of their arteries also suffered from nicotine exposure. The plaque blockages grew more quickly and were thicker in these mice than in the control animals."
What? lol it states how they conducted the tests.. I am in no place to say if this is all true or not, but in my last quotes it states how the nicotine was delivered, and it was not smoke.
We've heard thus far from a Surgical Tech (?) and a Nurse. I'm a humble student taking a Human Anatomy course in preparation for my Paramedic certificate, so I am ready to stand corrected.
But this article said that they couldn't tell if the nicotine in cigarettes had the same effect as lab quality nicotine, when evaluating the effect nicotine has on epithelial membranes. These membranes cover nearly every surface inside the body. Seeing as most of us use is USP grade nicotine (I would assume that labs also use USP grade) I would imagine that the effect witnessed in the lab mice is closer to what a vapor experiences as opposed to a smoker.
Then again, those mice received nicotine through their digestive system, whereas we take it through our respiratory system.
Literally, it says that there are very good effects of nicotine consumption, BUT that if there is a problem, like arterial congestion, or tumors, that nicotine speeds up the process of development. I personally thought it was a very great read that things like this are even going on (poor mice tho, lol). It also explains the OP's problems, if it is in fact a real/truthful scientific research. (there is a link to the actual study in the bottom)
Slightly disappointing that people would read the first two paragraphs and come to such a harsh judgment, when the study is NOT A BAD OUTCOME for a healthy individual, and it establishes a cause to what the OP may be experiencing.
Slightly disappointing that people would read the first two paragraphs and come to such a harsh judgment, when the study is NOT A BAD OUTCOME for a healthy individual, and it establishes a cause to what the OP may be experiencing.
It should be noted that the OP's sickness is also very rare.
Nicotine can also be beneficial. Many studies that show nicotine use slows, and may even prevent the effects of the sixth leading cause of death, Alzheimer's.
Nicotine can also be beneficial. Many studies that show nicotine use slows, and may even prevent the effects of the sixth leading cause of death, Alzheimer's.
yeah thats what I am saying is in the article, that nicotine can and will increase blood vessel and artirial size and blood flow, by istself. Great news! Everyone should give it a read! lol
The following is what I've observed in my own body.
When I smoked, sometimes I would get what I always thought as a nic buzz. It always happened if I hadn't had a cig in many hours. I've never gotten that same buzz while vaping, even if I've gone a long period of time without.
Smoking actually deprives the brain of oxygen hence the buzz. Now I'm not a medical person by any means but I would think that if smoking deprives the brain of oxygen, it would stand to reason, it also deprives other parts of the body of oxygen. Our bodies have the remarkable ability to repair a lot of damage we do, but there are times when the damage is too far gone for that to happen.
To the OP, please keep us posted if the condition gets better or worse by vaping 0% nic. I, for one, think this is a relevant topic as we are all essentially still learning how vaping affects our bodies. I do believe that vaping is much better than smoking (BY FAR) but it is all still relatively unknown. Yes, I breathe better and can do way more before getting winded. That has to be on the plus side
When I smoked, sometimes I would get what I always thought as a nic buzz. It always happened if I hadn't had a cig in many hours. I've never gotten that same buzz while vaping, even if I've gone a long period of time without.
Smoking actually deprives the brain of oxygen hence the buzz. Now I'm not a medical person by any means but I would think that if smoking deprives the brain of oxygen, it would stand to reason, it also deprives other parts of the body of oxygen. Our bodies have the remarkable ability to repair a lot of damage we do, but there are times when the damage is too far gone for that to happen.
To the OP, please keep us posted if the condition gets better or worse by vaping 0% nic. I, for one, think this is a relevant topic as we are all essentially still learning how vaping affects our bodies. I do believe that vaping is much better than smoking (BY FAR) but it is all still relatively unknown. Yes, I breathe better and can do way more before getting winded. That has to be on the plus side
I hope the people who are or will get sick or come down with anything find a way to get well. I am only saying that nicotine probably isn't the cause but smoking very well could be. Below is another excerpt from another article on the Stanford Research propaganda.
"More nicotine surprises followed. In 2000, Stanford researchers who set out to prove that nicotine damages blood vessels found just the opposite: it prompts the growth of new blood vessels. "It may be the reason smokers' cancers are so aggressive, says Dr. Scott Harkonen, CEO of drugmaker CoMentis. "But it also raises the question: where would you want to promote new blood-vessel growth?"
The answer, it turns out, was found in diabetes patients, who too often lose a lower extremity to amputation after a wound becomes gangrenous -- a result of poor blood circulation. Rates of amputations have steadily increased,"
It is not propaganda... is anyone reading the article before ditching it to the curb? lol
This is really odd to me.. It seems people are dismissing a honest study showing POSITIVE EFFECTS of nicotine because they are scared of something.
Can someone READ the article, and post what they found so people are not thinking I am trying to post some kind of propaganda here?
I found the study to not be negative at all, unless you already have cancer or some type of arterial congestion.. and YES it did promote use of nicotine in certain aspects for therapy of diseases, which could relate to the OP's condition in a positive or negative way.
Mind... is... boggled...
This is really odd to me.. It seems people are dismissing a honest study showing POSITIVE EFFECTS of nicotine because they are scared of something.
Can someone READ the article, and post what they found so people are not thinking I am trying to post some kind of propaganda here?
I found the study to not be negative at all, unless you already have cancer or some type of arterial congestion.. and YES it did promote use of nicotine in certain aspects for therapy of diseases, which could relate to the OP's condition in a positive or negative way.
Mind... is... boggled...
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OK, I took another look and went past the first paragraph this time . It is not the kind of propaganda I blew it off to be. Some of it I have no idea what they are talking about but it isn't the nonsense I took it to be by not reading slowly and far enough. Peta might not be happy with them tho lol.
. It is not the kind of propaganda I blew it off to be. Some of it I have no idea what they are talking about but it isn't the nonsense I took it to be by not reading slowly and far enough. Peta might not be happy with them tho lol.sorry to hear this and sorry I didn't read the whole thread, but if I can give any advice that wasn't already said, I'd say go for the %100 VG - supposidly better for you and huge plumes of vapor that even with no nicotine rival smoking, especially with your favorite flavor juices.
I think when doctors or medical professionals don't understand something they always bring out the (its smoking or nicotine) card
I've used an interview quote by one the researchers for my sig line since this study came out. (See below) Un-loco is correct that it's a valid study, and one beneficial to us because someone FINALLY decided to study nicotine outside of cigarette smoke. Pretty much up until then, no one could see the forest for the trees.
Thanks for the heads up.
Vaping is harm reduction, so there are people who should not vape as nicotine IS a vaso-constrictor. I know that from talking to my surgeon who wants no nicotine in body if he is to perform surgery. So there are instances in which vaping, or even wearing a nicotine patch, is contraindicated.
Well at least you can still enjoy vaping, I know what you mean about when you were first quitting analogs it would have panicked you, so now that you can do 0 nic, should work out for you?
Day 2 at zero nic. Vital signs within normal limits. Slight headache in this evening.
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