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Vaping quiz on clivebates - please take part!!
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Took the quiz. I didn't know snus was banned in Europe. How stupid. There is no risk to any innocent bystanders and it's been proven not to be detrimental to users. The carcinogens contained in it is at such a low level they practically don't matter. What gives?
Done... not sure these make a difference but I contribute.
I also noticed the way the questions/answers were worded. That is why I chose "other" for many of my answers.
I also noticed the way the questions/answers were worded. That is why I chose "other" for many of my answers.
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A little homework for you Jim
Clive Bates, former Head of ASH writes on Big Pharma, snus and E-Cigs | LifestyleReviews
As Orb said, Clive is 100% behind us vapers. The quiz isn't targeted specifically at us I think, and I suspect is designed as much to expose the misinformation and prejudices against vaping held by the general public.
Still, Clive actively uses any and all evidence he can gather to further our cause so please take the time to participate if you can!
Oh, and Clive at the ECF summit
It is a big pile of dumb at this stage (I can see where they were coming from 20 years ago, now though we have a lot more data available...), but in practise it isn't that bad at least here in the UK - you just have to order online.
Also, it is far from proven safe. It's just *a lot* safer than smoking.
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I'm not sure I would agree that snus are "far" from proven safe.
Aren't there 30 years worth of studies that show no links to any form of harm?
It causes gum recession and tooth discolouration in heavy users, and is considered very addictive.
It's linked to high blood pressure and possibly increases risk of fatal heart attacks / stroke. According to a few studies (at least one of which is large) it has a significant risk of pancreatic cancer. Some have linked it to mouth / oesophagal cancer, though that's more disputed.
It depends very much what your frame of reference is, doesn't it... If those warnings were on my breakfast cereal, I'd probably lose my appetite. As an alternative to smoking, doesn't sound too bad.
(I have a Jakobsson's Melon in my mouth right now )
It's linked to high blood pressure and possibly increases risk of fatal heart attacks / stroke. According to a few studies (at least one of which is large) it has a significant risk of pancreatic cancer. Some have linked it to mouth / oesophagal cancer, though that's more disputed.
It depends very much what your frame of reference is, doesn't it... If those warnings were on my breakfast cereal, I'd probably lose my appetite. As an alternative to smoking, doesn't sound too bad.
(I have a Jakobsson's Melon in my mouth right now
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I don't know what the politics of that one were nor are but the outcome is flat evil. I understand the use of snus by men in Sweden instead of smoking saw lung cancer rates fall like a rock. It's not a health food certainly but fewer deaths is always better.
Or at least I thought. Maybe I'm crazy...
I think this is the most comprehensive recent study I've found:
HRJ | Full text | Epidemiological evidence relating snus to health - an updated review based on recent publications
The conclusion at the moment seems to be it isn't benign, but there is basically no comparison to smoking.
HRJ | Full text | Epidemiological evidence relating snus to health - an updated review based on recent publications
The conclusion at the moment seems to be it isn't benign, but there is basically no comparison to smoking.
Going back to find the links I wanted, I can see we have had this discussion before.It causes gum recession and tooth discolouration in heavy users, and is considered very addictive.
It's linked to high blood pressure and possibly increases risk of fatal heart attacks / stroke. According to a few studies (at least one of which is large) it has a significant risk of pancreatic cancer. Some have linked it to mouth / oesophagal cancer, though that's more disputed.
It depends very much what your frame of reference is, doesn't it... If those warnings were on my breakfast cereal, I'd probably lose my appetite. As an alternative to smoking, doesn't sound too bad.
(I have a Jakobsson's Melon in my mouth right now
Clearly, we are going to agree to disagree, so I'll just leave this link for others who have not seen this discussion yet.
The pancreatic cancer thing is very much in dispute, as are most of the other things you mentioned as far as I know...
New Study Documents the Health Effects from Snus Use: Almost Zero
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I'm not claiming it's dangerous. But the original statement was "proven not to be detrimental to users", which is overstating it (and would be for coffee, for example, too...)
Done.
There was one question I did not understand. (Q.2)
Maybe 13 years in school and 6 years getting two degrees was wasted.
It's disappointing to see people come over all circumspect about Clive Bates.
There was one question I did not understand. (Q.2)
Maybe 13 years in school and 6 years getting two degrees was wasted.
It's disappointing to see people come over all circumspect about Clive Bates.
Looks like everyone must be trying to take the quiz at the exact same time.
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